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Friday, September 30, 2011 - 9:33pmSanction this postReply
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This quote displays ignorance in several areas.

First, the government has every reason to create its own money - as does any agent, General Motors, UBS, or you. It is convenient for even a limited government to do so. The government may not operate a central bank - lending money in commerce to banks - but it surely can operate a Mint and Printing Press. Moreover, it is perfectly free to store its money where it pleases, just as - with appropriate procedures - it can contract for painters and gardeners and pencils and battleships. And placing its money in commercial storage - versus "Fort Knox" - may result in income or expenses. These are administrative details, not ethical principles.

Moreover, the birth of "central banks" (so-called) was a consequence of the creation of government bonds in the commercial revolution of the 17th century. A government bank for government finances is no different from a government Mint or a government Library or a government Printing Office. (The alternative is to claim that the government has no right to borrow money ... and no right to keep records or to report its actions to its citizens...)

Second,historically, in the period mentioned, from the Civil War to 1913, the US government imposed the National Bank system. First, it killed off almost all private banks with a tax. Then, it required that to open a National Bank, the charterers had to deposit at least $25,000 in gold in the US Treasury for which they would receive interest-paying bonds, against which they could issue their own notes up to 90% of that value. Thus, we have the legacy of hometown "First National Bank" all over and a few "Second" and even today's 5th/3rd of Ohio. This was not laissez faire banking. Other banks were state chartered. Nowhere was banking as free and open as, say, shoe manufacturing.

I agree that the government does not necessarily need to make its own monetary media.

I just put a post on Necessary Facts my blog here about this, based on a discussion over on MSK's OL.

In two other posts on my blog (linked in that above) I point out that numismatics is the evidentiary proof of economics. It needs to be said because when it comes to the actual stuff of money, Mises was no farther ahead than Marx. (Hayek came closest, but, again, he lacked the evidence he needed because he knew noting about numismatics.)

(Edited by Michael E. Marotta on 9/30, 10:20pm)

I point to "The Changing Role of Foreign Money in the United States, 1782-1857" by David A. Martin in The Journal of Economic History Vol 37 No. 4. Dec. 1977 as being a correct summary of important facts. I caution against Murray N. Rothbard's A History of Money and Banking in the United States: The Colonial Era to World War II which is troubled by problems of fact and citation.


(Edited by Michael E. Marotta on 9/30, 10:22pm)


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Saturday, October 1, 2011 - 5:38amSanction this postReply
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"In laissez-faire capitalism, the government has no function to perform with regard to money."

Wow! A license for counterfeiters!

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Saturday, October 1, 2011 - 7:28pmSanction this postReply
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Pretty funny, Merlin. 

I tossed this poser out a couple of years ago and never got an appropriate reply. 
  • Rights can only be violated by volitional actors, by other people. 
  • The police can only act in retaliation to a violation of rights.
  • So, if the police see a pack of coyotes surrounding a child, are they morally obligated to act?
(As a corollary, if the police know from emergency systems that a tornado is approaching, and if they see picnickers on the public square, are they morally obligated to warn people of the danger?)

No one cut the knot.  Scary.


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Saturday, October 1, 2011 - 8:01pmSanction this postReply
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That's not so difficult, Michael.

The police can only take those actions they are legally empowered to take - that is their official scope of duties. It is a legal, not moral constraint. But nothing stops them from taking actions as private citizens that they feel morally obligated to take. Anyone, policeman, garbage collector, housewife, etc., can choose to help a child being threatened by coyotes. It isn't an issue of rights or law enforcement.

The question about whether someone is morally obligated to take an action is a different question.

Is someone morally obligated to take grave risks to their life to help a stranger? No - sacrifice is not rationally justifiable.

Is someone acting rationally and morally to warn the people of the coming tornado when it is at no significant risk or cost to them? Yes.

We should value another human life - even a strangers. But how much is that value? Higher than 10 minutes of a persons's time where there is little to no risk of harm or cost? I'd say that is certainly so.

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Sunday, October 2, 2011 - 8:09amSanction this postReply
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Steve, you miss the point, but rather than clutter this thread up, I created one under General, "A Policeman's Lot is Not a Happy One." 

As for the topic at hand here, do you have any insights?  Does the government have a right to create its own money?  Must that be gold-backed to be moral?  I assume that you grant that everyone has a right to create their own money.  The question here is the Constitutional power of the state under an objective code of law.  Opinions?


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Sunday, October 2, 2011 - 10:11amSanction this postReply
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Michael,

You stated that you'd never received a proper reply to the hypotheticals you posed. I gave you a proper reply. What's the point I missed?
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You asked, "Does the government have a right to create its own money? Must that be gold-backed to be moral? I assume that you grant that everyone has a right to create their own money. The question here is the Constitutional power of the state under an objective code of law. Opinions?"

The government does not have a moral right to create its own money for the same reason it does not have a moral right to create its own postal service. You can not derive either of those functions from the proper function of a government which is the protection of individual rights. You can derive legislative bodies, courts, police, military but not a postal service or money.

As practical matter, it is not a good idea to allow government to get that close to such a vital commodity as money - too tempting to go from gold coins to gold-backed paper money to fiat paper 'backed' by a legal tender act.

If government did have a moral right to create money (which it doesn't), it would need to be created in such a fashion as to remain stable, and backing it with gold would be a moral choice. The government would have a duty to back money with something that prevented the existence of a fiat currency.

Yes, I believe that every private individual has the right to create their own currency. A constitution that is based upon individual rights would not grant government the power to create money - in fact it would be specifically worded to ensure the separation of economy and state.



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Sunday, October 2, 2011 - 10:13amSanction this postReply
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I guess I do not see a particular reason why a government should not create its own currency. It seems convenient. I'm mainly against a government regulating whether banks etc can make their own currency.

Edit: I wonder how a government would set fines and would be funded in a situation where it does not have its own currency.
(Edited by Dean Michael Gores on 10/02, 10:16am)


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Sunday, October 2, 2011 - 10:30amSanction this postReply
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Reasons why government should not create its own currency:
  • 1. Violates the principle of not granting any power to government that isn't necessary for the defense of individual rights.
  • 2. Violates the principle of keeping the government out of economic activities.
  • 3. Government would first take tax dollars to fund the treasury, the printing presses, the payroll expenses of the government workers who created the currency.
  • 4. The government created currency would be in competition with any privately created currency - and unfairly since the government expenses are all covered by taxes.
  • 5. The temptation is too great to pass a legal tender act giving them a monoply, since they already have the currency.
  • 6. As a side effect of #3 and #4, it would inhibit to some degree the competion in the private market and thus deprive ust of the full benefits of innovation born of competition.
  • 7. The actual cost of having a stable currency (even assuming government did create a stable currency) would be greater since the taxes are a hidden cost and the inhibition of competition from private money would be a corresponding hidden cost.


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