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Friday, December 16, 2005 - 9:58pmSanction this postReply
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Hong!

This is like a (good) reunion!

Ethan


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Friday, December 16, 2005 - 10:11pmSanction this postReply
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A post by Hong, well there goes the neighborhood!

Hey little sister, good to see you again.

George


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Saturday, December 17, 2005 - 12:34amSanction this postReply
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Hong,

I'm delighted to see you're back!


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Saturday, December 17, 2005 - 7:32amSanction this postReply
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Hong,

I heartily add my voice to the chorus welcoming you back!!

Jim


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Saturday, December 17, 2005 - 9:38amSanction this postReply
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And I too... tho must say your choice is fine as wall design, leaves little for real contemplative purposes...

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Saturday, December 17, 2005 - 10:10amSanction this postReply
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Hi guys,
It's been my great pleasure to have "met" you.

Robert,  "...real contemplative purposes..." Hmm, I wonder what purposes or subjects you have in mind here? Matters of life and death? or just simple little pleasures you can find in daily life? 


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Saturday, December 17, 2005 - 11:03amSanction this postReply
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Welcome back, Hong! It's great to see your beautiful smiling face again...oh, and to read your comments, too!

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Saturday, December 17, 2005 - 11:41amSanction this postReply
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Hong!!

Great to see you!

Wow, George, Michael Newberry and Hong.

Now I know that I'm going to enjoy the holidays!

I've always liked to look for patterns. When I was a little kid we had one of those cheap linoleum bathroom floors with a stamped random pattern on it. I got so familiar with it, I could see all kinds of shapes in it, horses, dogs, frogs, a solar system, dinosaurs, airplanes. Whenever I sat down, there they all were. It was fun. I sort of miss that old bathroom. [Sorry if I'm leaving you with the image of me sitting on the pot!] : )

I've never been particularly offended by "abstract" or "modern" art. I look at it and go "Hmmmm". I'm not as impressed by it as I am by good realistic or romantic art but I certainly see value in it. I like the use of color and the contrast in your painting. I get a sense of an underwater world. I agree that it is pleasant to look at.

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Saturday, December 17, 2005 - 11:54amSanction this postReply
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What?! You guys must be desperate! (Corrected spelling!!! (See Mike's note below)Hong is flaunting abstract expressionism in your faces and you welcome her like some kind of Objectivist Goddess! And you don’t even deign to take her to task as if she is some fragile bird that will take flight at any hint of the truth! She should be punished not fawned over! Or perhaps a proper objectivist fine for offending objectivist principles of art is to do time posing naked for yours truly! Once she has done that and hung her Hong on the wall, she will not be able to go back to her provocative ways!
Michael

(Edited by Newberry on 12/17, 12:26pm)


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Saturday, December 17, 2005 - 12:08pmSanction this postReply
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dis·pa·rate Pronunciation (dspr-t, d-sprt)
adj.
1. Fundamentally distinct or different in kind; entirely dissimilar: "This mixture of apparently disparate materialsscandal and spiritualism, current events and eternal recurrencesis not promising on the face of it" Gary Wills.
2. Containing or composed of dissimilar or opposing elements: a disparate group of people who represented a cross section of the city.

Yes, we most certainly are!! : )

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Saturday, December 17, 2005 - 2:26pmSanction this postReply
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And you don’t even deign to take her to task as if she is some fragile bird that will take flight at any hint of the truth! She should be punished not fawned over!

Newberry is right, I plan to punch her in the stomach, but not today ... perhaps tommorow, .... maybe next week ............. maybe next .....

Or perhaps a proper objectivist fine for offending objectivist principles of art is to do time posing naked for yours truly! Once she has done that and hung her Hong on the wall, she will not be able to go back to her provocative ways!

Rofl

Michael, you are evil and you must be destroyed!

George


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Saturday, December 17, 2005 - 3:00pmSanction this postReply
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LOL - Hey Hong - can I do you up first? Promise to make ye infamous... ;-)

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Saturday, December 17, 2005 - 3:10pmSanction this postReply
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George belched: "...I plan to punch her in the stomach, but not today ... perhaps tommorow, .... maybe next week ............. maybe next ....."

Point made.

"Michael, you are evil and you must be destroyed!"

Why do I get a flash of deja vu?

Michael


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Saturday, December 17, 2005 - 6:25pmSanction this postReply
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Hahahaha, Newberry, you've seen right through me!  ;-)


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Saturday, December 17, 2005 - 7:01pmSanction this postReply
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Mike said "I get a sense of an underwater world".

Yes! If I try, I see the deep, dark ocean with fish or perhaps dolphins or whales jumping around. There are hints of sails, a boat, waves, a strong beam from a lighthouse maybe, and the cities on the shore...and quite dominantly a golden pyramid. It all seems so free but not without a structure.

(Edited by Hong Zhang on 12/17, 7:06pm)


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Saturday, December 17, 2005 - 8:33pmSanction this postReply
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No no no, Hong!  It's a black rhino with a blue eye, orange earring, wearing a red baseball cap backwards, a yellow rain coat, and he's trying to cross the Lodge Freeway in Detroit (in the rain) because his car broke down and people in the rush hour traffic are throwing stuff at him. 

It's so clear to me!  Can't you see it???

Nice to meet you :)
Teresa


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Sunday, December 18, 2005 - 2:50pmSanction this postReply
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You made reference to the issue of contemplation - alluding as if 'life or death' were the issues worthy of contemplation...  perhaps this might clear what was had in mind -

The artist's function is specifically to interpret the world and present it as he re-envisions it, using particular concrete elements to capture a deeper, more universal truth.

An artwork must therefore be accessible to comprehension at the level of perception. It must be recognizably representative of something because humans see at the level of perception [that is what is meant by using 'particular concrete elements']. A painting that presents a figure or scene is art. Paint splotches are not. A composition of recognizable tones is music. Random noise is not. A fictional narrative of sufficient length is a novel. A collection of sentences with no narrative structure is not.

So it goes for every form of art: it must present something accessible to the senses, in the ways appropriate to connecting with those senses as forms of awareness.

Saying that something is not art, does not mean it is not a pleasant decoration, nor does it mean it is worthless. It simply means that it cannot be used for the function of concretizing our deepest values and experiencing directly the equivalent of a sense of life...


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Sunday, December 18, 2005 - 9:12pmSanction this postReply
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Robert,

 

An artwork must therefore be accessible to comprehension at the level of perception. It must be recognizably representative of something because humans see at the level of perception [that is what is meant by using 'particular concrete elements'].



 

I agree with your above general statement but I think your follow-up specific statements may be somewhat narrow minded. When you say that “a painting that presents a figure or scene is art. Paint splotches are not”, do you suggest that a painting other than “a figure or scene” is “splotches”? When you talk about perception, about “recognizable tones”, I have to ask, perception by whom? and recognizable by whom?

 

Each of us individual perceives things differently, though I also realize how fundamentally similar we can be even though we may come from vastly different backgrounds. Art that appeal to those universal values apparently would appeal to all of us.

 

I can almost rationalize my fondness of abstract art. You know, traditional Chinese art is already somewhat abstract. Western-styled Realism is never part of Chinese traditional brush paintings and drawings. The Chinese scholars and artists since the ancient times have always emphasized on capturing the essence, the spirit, or the mood of a subject or a scene through the use of different styles of the strokes, compositions, etc. Symbolism was widely used. This has not changed to this day.

 


On the other hand, because I didn’t have a Western background, and was not familiar with the ancient Greek and Roman mythologies and Biblical legends, many great Western art works thus did not appeal to me the same way they appeal to the Westerners. Take Michelangelo as example, I like his David, God creates Adam etc. immensely purely because of those beautiful and robust human figures even if I didn’t know the stories behind it. However, I am not really touched by his Pieta and can’t stand just about any crucifixion paintings. 

 

Anyway, it was in China in the 1980s that I first encountered Kandinsky. At the time I subscribed to a small periodical called “English Study,” which provided English study tips, Western culture bits, and some short stories for students of English language in China. Its back cover usually contains a Western art piece. I remember seeing Delacroix’s “An orphan girl in the graveyard” for the first time there. One particular issue had one of Vassily Kandinsky’s composition paintings on its back cover and a short story about the artist. The bouncing circles and shapes, the straight lines, the clean and bright colors exuded a sense of joy, freedom, and harmony, the kind I had never seen before. I was immediately drawn to it and had loved Kandinsky ever since.

 

I understand that although the appreciation of art is immensely personal, there is certainly an objective boundary between art and non-art. Personally I think that Kandinsky is way over on the artistic side.

 

 





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Monday, December 19, 2005 - 7:33amSanction this postReply
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Good post, Hong - you bring up an interesting notion, that of how eastern views clash with western ones.  Am very familiar with The Mustard Seed, a classic chinese book of art techniques, and have used it often in my renderings [tho admit it may take time on some to see that].  What you are describing is style more than just abstracting, yet note even in the simplified manners of presentating, say a plum blossom or birds, what one sees is distinctly recognised as what is being presented - not as circles and triangles or other geometrics.

I do not argue that the brightness and arrangement makes for a circus-like atmosphere of gaiety and sense of positive, as opposed to drabness, and in that respect is much preferred over other works in terms of what the sense of life is - colorwise.  But perception is of concretes, identifiable objects, not geometric forms which are the abstractions of object shapes [not the objects themselves] - which is what makes for good designwork, mood enhancing if you wish, but leaves little if anything for contemplating.  This is long understood in the interior decorating business, where even real art is used as if just for decorative purposes, mood setters,
and without understanding the purpose of artworks except only incidentally.

As for symbolism - all art deals with that in what is presented - the fact an object is in the works alone makes it more than just the object, but as much a symbol - whether widely recognised as such or understood as of in what reference being irrelevant, as it is in the nature of doing an artwork.

(Edited by robert malcom on 12/19, 7:41am)


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Monday, December 19, 2005 - 2:01pmSanction this postReply
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So it goes for every form of art: it must present something accessible to the senses, in the ways appropriate to connecting with those senses as forms of awareness.

The only form of awareness, apparently, being monological.


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