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Sunday, April 20, 2008 - 6:17amSanction this postReply
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How large is this work, incidentally?

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Sunday, April 20, 2008 - 6:56amSanction this postReply
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It is not very large. 35in x 48in.  I found it to be the most touching piece in this exhibition.

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Sunday, April 20, 2008 - 3:54pmSanction this postReply
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Thanks for the notice, Hong, and for the link.

 

I got to see this stunning Turner at the National Gallery in LondonI didn’t know until your post, and the link in it, that this Turner and Constable’s The Hay-Wain are still so popular. Good for people of our day.


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Sunday, April 20, 2008 - 4:20pmSanction this postReply
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I believe Simon Schama said that J M W Turner remains the most popular painter in Britain, although he was quite controversial in his day. See BBC Simon Schama's Power of Art

Pictured is Turner's Slave Ship

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Monday, April 21, 2008 - 12:43pmSanction this postReply
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Here is a much better version of the painting with less distortions in color:

http://www.victorianweb.org/painting/turner/paintings/temeraire.jpg

Well, it's too late for me to change the link...

 



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Tuesday, April 22, 2008 - 8:22pmSanction this postReply
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I'm reminded of the opening of Atlas Shrugged, the city skyline being compared to an old masterpiece...  There's something in Turner's work that creates that feeling of a depth of existence, that makes one aware of all the shallowness of everyday life.

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Tuesday, April 22, 2008 - 10:02pmSanction this postReply
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I love Turner. He is one of my favorite artists.

And now, to reveal more about me than I should, here is my all-time favorite painting, September Morn by Paul Chabas, dating from 1912.

Regards,
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Jeff

September Morn by Paul Chabas


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Wednesday, April 23, 2008 - 8:12amSanction this postReply
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Ok, Jeff - WHY??

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Wednesday, April 23, 2008 - 6:06pmSanction this postReply
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Why, Robert? Isn't it obvious? No suburban sprawl.

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Wednesday, April 23, 2008 - 7:08pmSanction this postReply
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Actually, always thought that was a visualization of Swift's "A Modest Proposal"......;-)

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Wednesday, April 23, 2008 - 8:59pmSanction this postReply
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Jeff: "And now, to reveal more about me than I should, here is my all-time favorite painting, September Morn by Paul Chabas, dating from 1912."

That is a lovely piece. The style reminds me of Zorn (google search images) I hope there isn't a cartoon character called Zorn Goggle. ;)

Now, so what is the scoop with revealing too much? I thought this is what art is about, about who you really are underneath all the layers of defense.

Gosh, I have been working with 20 year olds lately, and it is such a great pleasure--to see the beauty, the freshness, enthusiasm--and very interesting qualities of confidence mixed with a will to be helpful to get the project right.

I love being an artist. :)

That said, I have loved working with everyone that has engaging personality.
(Edited by Newberry on 4/23, 8:59pm)


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Wednesday, April 23, 2008 - 9:14pmSanction this postReply
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Robert, Swift was speaking of eating infants. While she certainly looks delectable, unless she's been pen-raised she's probably stringy and gamey.

[This is ironic, Robert, (as was post 8) in case that is not obvious]

(Edited by Ted Keer on 4/24, 11:16am)


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Thursday, April 24, 2008 - 1:05amSanction this postReply
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I wrote:

> And now, to reveal more about me than I should, here is my all-time favorite painting,
> September Morn by Paul Chabas, dating from 1912.

Michael Newberry wrote:

> Now, so what is the scoop with revealing too much? I thought this is what art
> is about, about who you really are underneath all the layers of defense.

Well, in one sense I was being humorously ironic with that remark, because I do agree with you that revealing the art that one most admires is a deep window into a persons soul, much like Rand's famous observation about revealing the person with whom one chooses to sleep. Obviously, since I choose to post the picture, I was willing to present that window here, but knocking down those "layers of defense" does leave one's soul exposed.

Robert Malcom asked me to explain my reasons for admiring this painting.

My immediate gut reaction is to just let the painting speak for itself, because I find it to be a perfect expression of one aspect of life that I appreciate on an emotional level, and intellectualizing about it just detracts from that pure emotional moment. However, I can make a few comments about what I find so appealing.

Michael really hits upon something profound when he speaks of "layers of defense". In normal social settings, the idea of standing out from the background, exposing your true inner self, your essence, to others is not only an uncomfortable proposition, it is so scary to most people that it has become almost a taboo in our culture. Because if one person is allowed to do so, it acts as a challenge to others - a challenge that most people do not wish to have to confront. The excuse that people proffer for this is that they wish to protect themselves from exposure to ridicule by others. But I would suggest that often the more important reason for this visceral reaction lies in the desire to leave their defenses standing so as to protect themselves from having to confront their own true nature. Howard Roark is the ideal literary representation of a self-aware person comfortable with their own being and unafraid of letting others see his whole being. The image of standing naked is an artistic metaphor for this concept of being exposed, and it's no accident that the opening scene of The Fountainhead finds Roark standing naked on the cliff before diving into the pond below. Without knowing it while reading The Fountainhead for the first time at the age of 12, I can now look back and realize that this was what I immediately identified with when I read those opening passages; a desire to also stand exposed and be seen as I truly was. In September Morn, I find an expression of this idea of being comfortable with one's exposure. However, here it is connected to innocence whereas with Roark it is connected to defiance. Both artistic expressions speak to different parts of me.

I also like the sense of isolation. There is peace and serenity conveyed by the distant mountains, the calm water and the absence of other signs of humanity. I enjoy having time alone to reflect on my thoughts and appreciate the beauty of nature. A large print of this painting is on my wall and I can briefly escape to that feeling of serenity when I stop and take time to contemplate it. An interesting aside that may or may not apply to others is that I have what I call a split-mode of consciousness. One component of my conscious mind focuses on normal tasks such as contemplating this picture. However, there is always another component, let's call it my meta-consciousness, that has a god's-eye view of me and my relationship to my immediate environment. Therefore, while the greater portion of my awareness can be immersed in a painting, movie or music, there is always another part of me that remains on the outside as an omnipresent observer. This leads to an interesting tension when viewing a painting like this one, since, while one part of me can identify with the serenity and isolation being presented, there is another part that sees me as an observer of the scene, thereby diminishing the sense of isolation and privacy!

I like the technique used in this painting and it is my favorite among the Impressionist artists. The abstract background conveys just the right amount of detail to define the setting but not distract from the figure in the foreground. The low dawn light is used effectively to model the body and the few backlit highlights hint at the unseen side of the figure adding a sense of mystery and intrigue which pulls you into the painting. I took a look at some of Anders Zorn's paintings that Michael mentioned. Here is one that comes closest in theme and composition, and here is another. I do not like the style of Zorn's work. His female figures are generally much heavier (more Rubenesque) and the cruder brush technique forms a barrier for my enjoyment. Sometimes I appreciate an art work principally for its technique rather than it's theme, but in the case of September Morn, it is the thematic subject that is of overriding importance and Chabas' technique, while somewhat abstract, does not block my acceptance of the reality of the moment depicted.

I think the early 20th century controversy over the nudity in this painting is, let's say, interesting. This is clearly a young woman, not a child, and while the form comes close to my personal ideal of the female body type, this image is clearly (at least to me) and expression of innocence rather than an attempt at eroticism.


OK, it's your turn. If you're game, post your favorite picture with a few comments about what it means to you.

Regards,
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Jeff

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Thursday, April 24, 2008 - 4:45amSanction this postReply
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What I am surprised is never mentioned of this painting is the pose.... yes, the technique and colors and such are great and pleasing - but could you really see Dagny standing in such a self-depreciating [eg. 'modest' ] pose, especially if supposed to be in the serenity of aloneness.... or is this to be taken as a 'norm' and a 'given' and thus not considered?  remember, what is included in a work of art expresses fundamental views of what is considered of importance - and those who agree with the art concurr ...

as for the Swift quip - once again Ted,you fail to grasp humor for all and only all it is..
am well aware of the actual nature of the 'proposal'...


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Thursday, April 24, 2008 - 9:29amSanction this postReply
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Robert Malcom writes:

> What I am surprised is never mentioned of this painting is the pose....
>could you really see Dagny standing in such a self-depreciating [eg. 'modest' ] pose

Interesting. I don't read the modesty and especially do not see anything self-depreciating about the pose of the figure. As I said in my comments above in comparison to the portrayal of Roark, this is not an expression of defiance, nor is it an attempt to depict radiant joy. It speaks to peaceful contemplation. I see nothing wrong in that. Robert, maybe you could expand on your observations and flesh them out a bit more to make it clearer how you are reading the scene.

Regards,
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Jeff

P.S. Despite being a great admirer of Rand's characterizations, I don't happen to think that the portraits of Roark, Dagny and Galt are a summarization of, and the final word on the expression of human values.


(Edited by C. Jeffery Small on 4/24, 9:35am)


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Thursday, April 24, 2008 - 3:24pmSanction this postReply
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Jeff,

Your post #21, was thoughtful, intelligent, and passionate. I appreciate the effort. Made my day.

BTW, this was the Zorn I was thinking of,



"OK, it's your turn. If you're game, post your favorite picture with a few comments about what it means to you."

hahahahah, I did that once but my taste in painting is so particular, I confused the hell out of many objectivists. I didn't find it helpful.

Shamelessly though, I can say that many of my own works are my favorites, because they expressed my deepest world, and other painters'works don't accomplish that for me.

Cheers,

Michael


(Edited by Newberry on 4/24, 3:26pm)


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Thursday, April 24, 2008 - 3:27pmSanction this postReply
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Michael:

Thanks for your comments.

Regards,
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Thursday, April 24, 2008 - 3:38pmSanction this postReply
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Shamelessly though, I can say that many of my own works are my favorites, because they expressed my deepest world, and other painters'works don't accomplish that for me.

Well said, Michael - my sentiments too.....  tho would say offhand, that Zorn work is better as sense-of-life than the September Morn.....


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Thursday, April 24, 2008 - 8:26pmSanction this postReply
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Wow, the water in the Zorn image in post 15 is so realistic that it is distracting!

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Friday, April 25, 2008 - 12:36pmSanction this postReply
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Interesting. I don't read the modesty and especially do not see anything self-depreciating about the pose of the figure.


Perhaps it is because such a pose is taken as a norm - it actually is a painting of a virtuous christian woman caught unawares in her nudity, the obvious modesty of covering her breasts and pubic areas a marked concurrence to Durer's Eve, where those aspects of a woman's sexuality are to be hidden [the issue of it being private is not of it being personal, but of it being sexual and of supposed shame and thus'out of sight, out of mind - indeed, it fits with the comparative 'sheet with hole between partners with the lights out' mentality of sexual relations among, of course, married persons].....  note, too, that it, the figure, is the most intense of what is in the painting, not merely in size but intensity as well, emphasizing her 'christian morality' as the most important of the painting.....  [and if that isn't self-depreciation, which is what modesty actually is, a christian virtue, but not a rational one - then what is??]

Contrast that to Zorn's, where Ted complains of the water being so realistic that it distracts him - but note, here the emphasis is distributed all over almost equally in intensity and clarity, namely that tho the largest object is the figure, she is as much a part of the natural world as the rest of it....  this is a major difference in the metaphysical viewing of the woman, as compared to September Morn...

(Edited by robert malcom on 4/25, 12:37pm)


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