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Saturday, July 24, 2004 - 7:10amSanction this postReply
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Good article. You might be interested to know that politically correct'ers have been on Usenet as far back as 1982. 

As far as the characteristically American drive to outlaw words deemed "offensive," it could very well have its roots in America's irrational side: the use of 'he said fighting words' as a successful, and somewhat legitimate, defense against a charge of assault.  The postmodern add-on is this:

1. Certain words "breed violence."
2. The way the assaulter is treated when their assault follows being insulted in a hateful way indicates that they are "negating the negation."
3. Hence, "verbal violence" is a negation of the community's tranquility.
4. Since negations should be outlawed rather than be dealt with at "street level," the most appropriate way to deal with these verbal negations is to illegalize them. The blind-eye approach tolerates violence on the streets, which is not preferable to using the power of the law to stop the violence at the source.
5. Therefore, "hate speech" laws are justified.

The outlawing of "hate speech" is a measure consistent with Hegelainism.




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Saturday, July 24, 2004 - 7:41pmSanction this postReply
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Thank you for this well-written article.

People who argue that government needs to bridle free speech lest malevolent words do damage to others need to read and digest Nathaniel Branden's book The Six Pillars of Self-Esteem, particularly the pillars called "Self-Assertiveness" and "Self-Responsibility".




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Sunday, July 25, 2004 - 7:48pmSanction this postReply
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Jonathan --

Your article addresses very well the issue of hate speech as related to the object of hate speech, whose feelings can allegedly be hurt. Indeed, the state has no business to protect an individual's feelings. However, I would like to bring up the case of those who not only incite with hate speech, but actively recruit people.

Recently, the director of the Internaional Solidarity Movement, George Rishmawi, explained to the San Francisco Chronicle that the recruitment of American student volunteers is useful to the Palestinian movement because "if some of these foreign volunteers get shot or even killed, then the international media will sit up and take notice." Indeed, the media was all over the deaths of American student Rachel Correy and British student Tom Hurndall in Gaza in 2003.

The question is, should the ISM be allowed on American campuses in the name of free speech? What about the parents who pay tuition for their kids to learn, not to be recreuited as human shields?





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Tuesday, July 27, 2004 - 5:12pmSanction this postReply
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Interesting, well-written article, Jonathan. I think the case of Bridget Bardot, the French actress, is an example of what you refer to, in that she is being harassed legally under laws against racism for speaking out about the Muslimization of France. Here, I sense the intent is support the multicultural agenda, and silence all criticism of any type of culture.
 
However, free speech in regards to political liberty means the advancement of life, and not the destruction of life. Calling for black slavery or another holocaust is a negation of life. Would you support the right of a man to advocate killing you, and destroying your family? Would you support a man that wanted to enslave you? And if you did, wouldn't that implicate you in your own destruction?
 
Also, free speech and slanderous speech are two different things. In a rational society, libel laws would be clearly defined so as to afford the slandered to easily prove his or her case, and financially damage the slanderer. I remember a Civil Rights organization in the South using the courts to heavily damage the KKK.
 
In other words, if a group asserted that Jewish doctors were infecting the black population with AIDs they would be open to extreme financial damage through the courts.
 
By making individuals and groups responsible for what they say, through the courts, one would be able to refrain from censorship but at the same time, strike back at groups that thrive on slander.
 
Alan Tucker
 




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Tuesday, July 27, 2004 - 10:01pmSanction this postReply
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Isn't it strange that the ACLU now advocates the restriction of hate speech? That is a 180 degree reversal of their position stated in the 1994 references in Jonathan's article.

Instead of preventing statist crackdowns on obnoxious speech, the ACLU now lobbies to impose state censorship. What happened to their unequivocal defense of our First Amendment?  Why did they abandon principle and go and go to the other side?

Professor David Bernstein (George Mason University), in his new book, “You Can’t Say That!," offers some answers. The focus of the book is the threat to the First Amendment presented by the anti-discrimination laws now espoused the by ACLU. These laws are rapidly expanding in their regulation of workplace speech, artistic expression, political speech and campus speech. They claim to protect women and minorities from whatever oppression such speech conveys. And, while this nation would be a more pleasant place if no one ever spoke a harsh word, government control to assure that is an unacceptable totalitarian solution. The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution was written to protect us from such government involvement when it states: "Congress shall make no law...abridging the freedom of speech...” Unfortunately, the ACLU—an organization founded to preserve First Amendment rights—now advocates such abridgement.

Clearly, the ACLU has drifted away from concern about individual liberty and adopted a collectivist “social equality” agenda. And, they've accepted government as a partner in that effort.



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Wednesday, July 28, 2004 - 6:42amSanction this postReply
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Good point about the ACLU, Larry. I bet that if the International Solidarity Movement was banned from recruiting on campus grounds, the ACLU will be there to defend their first amendment rights - after all, they are a minority. Saying that they support terrorism is hate speech against them.




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Wednesday, August 4, 2004 - 9:49amSanction this postReply
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Just to clarify that my previous post on the ACLU was sarcastic, or so I hope.



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