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Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 2:37amSanction this postReply
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Delicious, Eric!

Beecham, when asked what he thought of Stockhausen, said he wasn't sure, but thought he might have trodden in some recently. Cage was an even bigger fraud. More disgusting still ... the poseurs who affect to take any of it seriously. The problem with your cunning plan is that the Chopin would be wasted on such pretentious twats!

Then again, maybe Chopin would be a fitting punishment for them!

Linz

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Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 4:12amSanction this postReply
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This reminds me of a story I once heard on the radio from a studio engineer that worked for Yoko Ono. Apparently, she once recorded a song called "Dead Rat". First Yoko sang some sort of disharmonic bullshit and then partway through the song cut to a microphone suspended above a dead rat - which was surprisingly silent for its part. This to me is even a more bizarre story than the recorded silence by cage.

 

Just goes to prove that the Avant Garde "art" movement is full of pretentious pricks with nothing to say. 


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Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 4:50amSanction this postReply
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Brilliant, Eric. You've captured the quease-inducing essence of Cage & all his insufferable soulmates. "Counterfeit artists" indeed!

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Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 5:04amSanction this postReply
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A six week summer break state sponsored program for gifted students in North Carolina called "Governor's School" featured, among much other hogwash, performances of John Cage's work.  Read more at

http://attitudeadjustment.tripod.com/Essays/GS-West.htm

I occasionally get e-mail from recent graduates of that program chastising me for my narrow minded critique of that program.  I wonder whether such a program would exist if not for state funding.


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Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 10:23amSanction this postReply
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I was introduced to Mr. Cage's "art" some 40 years ago. Silence (nothing), in the hands of a great artist like Maria Callas, is powerful because it builds tension before a great statement (something). I think of the agonizing silence in Callas' rendition of "J'ai perdu mon Eurydice" when she realizes her lover is dead. "Eurydice! Eurydice! (silence). Mortal Silence." A get goose-bumps just thinking about it. Silence, in this example, is a rythmic contribution, and you hear every beat of hers and your heart as you endure it.
The fact that Mr. Cage exists doesn't bother me, as even a cursory glance at any area of thought reveals charlatans and idiots. What discourages me is that 40 years later, there is still a need to discuss him.
This, you have done brilliantly, and, one can only hope, finally. The contribution you have made to music by means of this article surpasses Cage's entire lifetime output, and you did it without writing one solitary note. With the artistic death of John Cage, perhaps the good name of silence can be resurrected.

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Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 10:51amSanction this postReply
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Lindsay, -Seeing the name Beachum and since we are discussing music, I think of the great English conductor, Sir Thomas Beecham. His name should live forever, if only for two reasons:
1) His 1954 recording of La Boheme, with Jussi Bjorling and Victoria de los Angeles, and
2) One of my favorite quotes of all time which I am sure you know, but I repeat for the incurably young. Cutting through the intellectual phoniness of the 50's when Puccini was considered a lightweight by those "in the know", he said,
"There are two kinds of people: people who love Puccini, and liars."

After having to spend time thinking of John Cage, it is nice to contemplate Puccini for at least a few seconds.

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Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 1:22pmSanction this postReply
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Mr. Rockwell,

 

You simply lack the profound artistic temperament to understand a work of art of this type. Mr. Cage was able to explain his works 'sense of life' in a brief statement he gave during an interview for Jerry Springer. His statement is quoted below:

 

     

   ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------, ----------------------------.-------------------------------? ----------------------------------!---------------------------------,--------------: ---------------------------. ------------------ "-----------", -------------------. -----------------------,-----------------------. ------------------------------------------------ !

 

As you can see the arguments for his creative genius are irrefutable. I hope you were able to follow his thought process in that last paragraph. As you can see there is no arguing with the conceptual greatness of Mr. Cage's work. 

 

George W. Cordero

 



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Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 7:08amSanction this postReply
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at least being called narrow-minded admits to having a mind... unlike the cagiens, whom are distinctly unmindful...

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Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 1:09pmSanction this postReply
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It's very funny that you mention the idea of playing a boom box at a performance of 4:33 simply because a good friend of mine was escorted out of an actual performance for doing the same thing. Another thing that I agree with you is that it is quite disturbing that there is still the need to discuss these anti-artists years after their time. Why can't we talk about my music instead. :) (www.musicatb.com, site opens Spring 2005)

Adam Buker

PS. Please forgive my shameless plugging. It'll be worth it. :)
(Edited by Adam Buker on 10/20, 11:26pm)


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Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 4:03pmSanction this postReply
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Lindsay, you wrote:

"Then again, maybe Chopin would be a fitting punishment for them!"

What!! What!! Step out into the alley, Linz, and put up your dukes!

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Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 4:47pmSanction this postReply
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Majesty - think carefully about what I said. :-)

Linz


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Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 4:59pmSanction this postReply
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I got 5 bucks that says Mrs. Branden KOs Linze by round 3.

Mr. Perigo is already trying to back out of the fight by implying that Chopins great music would have offended the Cage fans, so thats why they deserve it ( I know thats what you meant, but I would rather egg-on a fist fight).

Don't believe him Mrs. Branden, its a trick! He's running scared already! Just keep that left up, and go to the body hard!

Sincerely, George W. Cordero (aka Don King - boxing promoter)


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Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 5:05pmSanction this postReply
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BTW,

 

Has anyone seen Sciabarra? - I need an announcer for this fight. Someone with great credentials, a scholarly look, and that the fans won't understand a word he's saying.  

 

Sincerely, George W. Cordero (aka: former SoloHQ member kicked out by Linz)



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Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 5:14pmSanction this postReply
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5 bucks on "The Fire Queen". I don't care who's right, either. I just want to see the fight.

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Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 5:49pmSanction this postReply
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Q: What does a sadist do to a masochist?



A: Nothing. :-)


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Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 6:59pmSanction this postReply
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Alas, Majesty, we are conspired against by bloodlusters & ghouls who would have us duel to the death. Methinks we should put *them* to the sword, the dastardly fiends. What say ye, Majesty?

Emperor Linz


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Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 7:48pmSanction this postReply
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Coward! FIGHT!

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Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 8:43pmSanction this postReply
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Ah, Mr. Cordero,
What a lovely sense of humour you have.  Today is not a good day for me, but you've got me laughing out loud.  Thanks. Do keep it up.
Cass


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Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 8:44pmSanction this postReply
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Ah, Mr. Cordero,
What a lovely sense of humour you have.  Today is not a good day for me, but you've got me laughing out loud.  Thanks. Do keep it up.
Cass


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Thursday, August 19, 2004 - 3:51amSanction this postReply
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Your Majesty and Emperor Linz,

It seems that Sir George of Cordero is trying to incite a fight, and that he has called upon Dr. Diabolical Dialectical to announce this fight ... except that the fans won't understand a word I'm saying.  I say we transcend this alleged dualism that he has posited, and move, synchronically and diachronically, to a fuller context.

Come to think of it, I'm really not sure if this is what he had in mind.  Perhaps nobody will understand me, not because of dialectical parlance... but because I speak the rare dialect of Brooklynese.  So, if either of you chooses to truly pick a fight, just look your opponent in the eye and say:

"You talkin' to me??  Fugetaboutit!"

DDD


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