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Alec, stop deluding yourself, he or she, either way - you're fucked!

Sincerely, George 'will be waiting for Alec in hell' Cordero

Post 21

Saturday, April 9, 2005 - 1:40pm

It may all be a joke - but it strikes me as another of those 'good ol boys' kind of jokes which - in fact - do put down the women.... I can understand Hong's dislike of it - for good reason, for it does indeed reflect an infantilistic attitude.....

Post 22

Saturday, April 9, 2005 - 1:54pm

Luke,

You sure got balls - flipping off Kitten with Hooters...
(arms crossed, foot tapping and looking in dead earnest)

This whole thing has touched a nerve. I had to do some thinking to try to understand - and I think I do now.

I wonder how it would fall on the gay people's ears here at SOLO if a list of gay bashing jokes were posted under humor. Our Objectivist gays might joke about these things with other people - even with us straights - but coming as an article on SOLO... hmmmm...

(Let's forget about Linz's comments on women and children - he is in a category all by himself. Also - he can't hide his big heart well enough to offend with those...)

I see that the women taking issue with this "humor overkill" are women who have to deal with typical women's real-life things like motherhood while trying to keep a career in a tough male-dominated marketplace. And they are Objectivists in male dominated Objectivism.

They joke. They laugh. Even about women/men stereotypes. But I think they are sick of the sexist shit they have to live with everyday, especially the disguised stuff. It irks them to find it here.

Now I want to get back to joking with my friends, including you...

Michael

(Edited by Michael Stuart Kelly on 4/09, 1:56pm)

Post 23

Saturday, April 9, 2005 - 2:02pm

I see that the women taking issue with this "humor overkill" are women who have to deal with typical women's real-life things like motherhood while trying to keep a career in a tough male-dominated marketplace.

Michael, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here because your statement could be interpreted in a number of ways, but please tell me you do not mean that "motherhood" thereby gives women a special right to feel insulted.

Please, please tell me that isn't what you mean.

Post 24

Saturday, April 9, 2005 - 2:05pm

No, I don't mean that.

Post 25

Saturday, April 9, 2005 - 2:08pm

MSK wrote:

You sure got balls.

Thank you, sir! You should have seen my response to a woman's objection to my calling Lillian Rearden a "bitch." You can read about that here. I found the mixed reviews of that intriguing, as well.

Jennifer wrote:

... please tell me you do not mean that "motherhood" thereby gives women a special right to feel insulted.

Thank you, Jennifer, for offering an anchor of reason in this storm of protest! A woman in Mensa years ago said exactly that to me. This gave me yet another reason to quit that organization.

Post 26

Saturday, April 9, 2005 - 2:18pm

OK, can you please clarify your meaning, then?

I only ask because I am also in a male-dominated marketplace, competing for venture capital, great minds, and building a multi-million dollar company. I do not experience sexism, and do not find these jokes insulting, so I'm genuinely curious as to why this is such a sensitive issue.

Perhaps my mindset is just completely different, though I can't figure out exactly why. I've never felt at a disadvantage as a female. We've talked about this elsewhere, but I can't remember which thread (sorry).

Post 27

Saturday, April 9, 2005 - 2:20pm

Luther, I think my comment might create a storm of its own, though that is not my intention. In any case, you're welcome.

Oh, and for what it's worth, Lillian Rearden was a bitch. :)

(Edited by Jennifer Iannolo on 4/09, 2:22pm)

Post 28

Saturday, April 9, 2005 - 2:37pm

Jennifer, your fucking "mindset" is wonderful - stop trying to "figure" it out. It's the others that should be doing the pondering.

George

Post 29

Saturday, April 9, 2005 - 2:39pm

Jennifer,

Sorry, I think I lost my sense of humor right there right then

You have always been such a good sport in numerous threads such as this one. That�s one of the many reasons that I respect you very highly. Why can�t some of the guys take hints from you?! Have anybody seen any male bashing from any of us?

My respect for Marcus has just doubled for he has not participated in all this.

I am compelled to say what I see and what I think, with no regard to how others may label me: humorless, feministic, nasty, or whatever. But I�d be glad to admit that I may be wrong if someone point things out to me.

__________________

George and John,

For your information, I did take two years of martial art (Wu Shu) training when I was little. However I am now quite out of shape, so no real life challenge, ok?

__________________

Jon,

I thought we had something going between us, and now you wrote this�this�and it only took me to read it five times to figure out what you were actually saying! What happened to you? A chart converter?

___________________

Robert M.!

Aren�t you always the wise old sage! I say old only in the sense that it reflects your remarkable wisdom.

Post 30

Saturday, April 9, 2005 - 2:45pm

Hong said: For your information, I did take two years of martial art (Wu Shu) training when I was little.

God Damn!

I don't know if Hong is going to Solo 4, but if she is:

I got 20 bucks she whoops Setzer within 3 minutes, any takers?

Post 31

Saturday, April 9, 2005 - 2:46pm

Hong,

Thank you for such kind, thoughtful words. You are a gem in my book as well. I admire your courage and forthrightness, as it gives you quite an air of spunkiness. :) I'm just wondering what specifically upset you (I saw your post, but am still not clear why you got angry about Luther's post before it).

George,

Who loves ya? :)

Post 32

Saturday, April 9, 2005 - 2:56pm

The reason I haven't commented on this thread is that I am bored shitless with this topic.

I don't find it offensive, nor amusing.

I have read all those jokes before - it was a chore reading it. Therefore, I would not normally bother commenting on it.

If there was an army of me on SOLO and Luther, there would probably be zero comments on this discussion thread.

Post 33

Saturday, April 9, 2005 - 2:58pm

Gee, Hong - it was bad enough had to list my age in the 'Kitchen' thread [ which, by the way, died as soon as I posted...] - but thanks, tho it all seemed so obvious.... but, then, boys never seem to grasp it....

Post 34

Saturday, April 9, 2005 - 3:01pm

George, whats the pointspread?

Post 35

Saturday, April 9, 2005 - 3:07pm

Newnham, what point-spread?

Wake up man! It's a fight, not a football game.

You either wager the odds (Hong is a 7 to 1 favorite), or the round (I called Setzer being KO'ed in the 1st round).

Whatever you do, don't place the bet with the people from the "Iannolo Family" - if you're late with the money even five minutes - they'll be finding Newnham body parts all over the city.

George

(Edited by George W. Cordero on 4/09, 3:08pm)

Post 36

Saturday, April 9, 2005 - 3:08pm

George, you are such a crybaby. It was only a kneecap.

Post 37

Saturday, April 9, 2005 - 3:10pm

Jennifer,

You know, marriage and motherhood DO change people�s perspectives from both the women and the people around her. When I was young, I was more boyish than almost all the boys I know. However, after marriage and having child, I have felt keenly the disadvantage of being a woman, of wanting to be a good mother, good wife and be good at work. At times it all just seems impossible�

Marcus,
Like your post very much.

Post 38

Saturday, April 9, 2005 - 3:14pm

<> I just miss football sooo much

Post 39

Saturday, April 9, 2005 - 12:47pm