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Post 40

Thursday, May 4, 2006 - 5:14pmSanction this postReply
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Ed - spirit is abstract, character, pure form. So God is the abstract character, spirit and pure form of existence existing.

Robert's post was indeed excellent. I would add today's "last men" indeed have a value - compromize. Compromize and tolerance are the highest, self-negating values. Rand discussed it in an article about concensus in government. If I had my O'ist CD running under Wine in Linux, I'd grab it, but I don't.

Scott



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Thursday, May 4, 2006 - 8:01pmSanction this postReply
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Scott, 

Are you saying that God is a Kantian thing, a "pure" form -- without any matter to be instantiated into? Sort of like the Kantian concept of "pure reason"?

Ed




Post 42

Thursday, May 4, 2006 - 8:41pmSanction this postReply
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No, I don't hold an abstraction to be an entity, I consider an abstraction an *observation*, an identification and permutation of particulars of a concrete material, such as an FM demodulated fourier-transform of the radio-spectrum time domain at 66.6 MHz might render your favorite AC-DC tune.

The Coulomb constant *exists*. The Gravitational constant *exists*. The Fine Structure constant *exists*. Why such precise, unfluctuating values? The *identity* of the universe. "Cause God sez so!

That freaks me out. Why such N such values? Reminds me of the book of Job. 'Were you there when I framed the heavens?; how high did I make them? How deep?'

Atheists tend to say, well, what is, is. Mystics say, God is Great! And that awe, that feeling, the kind produced by a magnificent work of art, is a powerful motivation.

No doubt I share your disgust at corruption and superstition, but I still find *mystery*, awe, that gives me an appreciation and enthusiasm to dare question, consider and appreciate the immense and awesome universe that is both inside and outside of us.

Scott



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Thursday, May 4, 2006 - 10:12pmSanction this postReply
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Scott,

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No doubt I share your disgust at corruption and superstition, but I still find *mystery*, awe, that gives me an appreciation and enthusiasm to dare question, consider and appreciate the immense and awesome universe that is both inside and outside of us.
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Here I was, trying to use the Socratic Method on you (you know: to try to trick you into making a bold conjecture regarding the existence of Platonic forms) -- and you write this beautiful sentence back to me?!

Scott, I have no will to go on, trying to use rhetorical tactics, trying to win this argument with you. Battling you now, after you've painted such beauty onto the computer screen -- would feel like clubbing a baby seal. You have killed my spirit of opposition.

Thanks for that.

Ed
[They say that you can "kill them with kindness" -- but they never warned me that they can also kill you with beauty.]

(Edited by Ed Thompson on 5/04, 10:14pm)




Post 44

Friday, May 5, 2006 - 5:33amSanction this postReply
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Or sarcasm.....



Post 45

Friday, May 5, 2006 - 9:07amSanction this postReply
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Or sarcasm ...
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My God, Reverend! That was such an incredibly profound insight on your part! So subtle, yet so piercing in it's illumination of yet a third way one kills opposition.

Thank you, thank you, thank you (for benevolently sharing this with a lesser mind such as mine)!

[bowing -- in reverence of a Reverend to the high-minded]

Ed
[you mean ... like that?    ;-)]




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Friday, May 5, 2006 - 12:17pmSanction this postReply
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That's why I love this site - everyone is in such funful moods...... ;-)



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Friday, May 5, 2006 - 1:10pmSanction this postReply
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Battling you now, after you've painted such beauty onto the computer screen -- would feel like clubbing a baby seal. You have killed my spirit of opposition.


Am I really as easily clubbed as a baby seal?!?! Grrrrrrrrrrrr

Scott



Post 48

Friday, May 5, 2006 - 2:04pmSanction this postReply
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Scott,

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Am I really as easily clubbed as a baby seal?!?!
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And how IN THE HELL do you KNOW how easy it is to club a baby seal, Scott?!?! I want some answers -- and I want them now. [you friggin' seal-beating, baby-basher]    ;-)

Well, okay -- how about this then: A baby seal ... on steroids?

Anyway, do you get the PSYCHOLOGICAL implication of the thing-as-presented, though (where I, psychologically, couldn't muster the adversarial aggressiveness -- after being hit across the face with such beautitude?)?

I think you get it (because you're 'freaky intelligent') -- but just checking ...

Ed




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Friday, May 5, 2006 - 6:36pmSanction this postReply
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And how IN THE HELL do you KNOW how easy it is to club a baby seal, Scott?!?! I want some answers -- and I want them now. [you friggin' seal-beating, baby-basher] ;-)


Up until several years ago, I thought rabbits were cute. Then, one day, I was hungry, and a rabbit I saw looked like a cute sack of meat :-D

I, not more that an hour ago, told someone I would happily toss a lobster in boiling water and listen to its "whinning" noise.

Yum Yum.

One day, we'll all be nuclear powered. Until then, don't look like meat :-D

Scott




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