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April 30, 2007

North Carolina Governor's School Experience by Luke Setzer

The campus director informed the parents from the outset that it would be "best for their children" if they refrained from visiting for the first two weeks of the program. He asserted that early visits from family would disrupt the students' "adjustment" to campus life. He also sternly informed students that "if you have any kind of prejudice against others, check them at the gate. We will be too busy pursuing new and valuable ideas to have those kinds of barriers holding us back." It all seemed just a little ominous. (Read more...)
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Monday, April 30, 2007 - 6:12am

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I received two additional e-mail responses to this article as posted on my home page:

Received January 8, 2006:

Over the past summer, I attended N.C. Governor's School West. Much the information you present in an article about this program entitled "Are Your Tax Dollars Working Against Your Values" is out of date. From my experience at Governor's School, while students were exposed to many liberal and radical ideas, these were not used to tell the students what was correct, but merely as a basis for discussion amongst the students. Additionally, while many of the art and music presentations were unconventional, they still were very interesting, bona fide productions unlike the radios you described. I do not believe that Governor's School pushed views on its students more than any other school.

While I certainly encountered numerous individuals at Governor's School with whom my ideals strongly differed, this did not serve to pull me toward their views but merely to support my my own. Furthermore, a person cannot grow up in a vacuum as a scientist my say. People are constantly influencing us as we grow no matter our environment; therefore, a person must learn to stand up for their beliefs even if others disagree with them. Such a person would see Governor's School not as a threat to their beliefs but an opportunity to strengthen their ability to explain their veiws.

Secondly, the abolishment of public school at the present, would have detrimental effects. In order for such a plan to succeed, all forms of welfare, food stamps, and unemployment benefits must first be done away with. Otherwise millions of uneducated and illiterate people would rely on these programs and allow the government to support them. Even then, there would a severe initial decline in education, which could detrimentally affect the work force and the economy. The number of people qualified for basic office and service jobs, which require basic education (ie office receptionist, cashier, salesman, etc.) woud greatly decrease.

Received April 20, 2007:

you, sir, are very wrong in your theory of governors school. i attended governors school in 2000, and id like to prove your ideas flawed. you are a fascist.
i am not overly liberal because of governors school. i also did not just "get through it." governors school affected me in every way, and each for the best. the children chosen to attend are chosen because they are intelligent. they are aware beliefs are not being forced upon them, and they have every right to choose to attend or not.
your ideas only appeal to children who are football stars, or bitter A+ nitwits. the people who get anything out of governors school are the people who appreciate life for what it is.
not you sir.

I thought I ought to mention these. I will invite these posters to comment here on this thread if they wish.

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Monday, April 30, 2007 - 7:38am

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Luke,

"government uses tax dollars snatched from others in order to benefit the best and brightest, thus getting such top students into the government's corner. "

This certainly does happen. I worked for a start-up a few years ago. I happened to get into a conversation about government agencies and grants with one of the company founders, a very bright guy, PhD in Physics. Turns out the first few million of venture capital of the company were due to a government grant to encourage high tech. His education was also funded by government programs. He told me it would have been impossible for him to get where he was without these government programs and they "had" to exist for those that needed them, and they were a great benefit to society. I didn't see the point in arguing with him given his experience (and I worked for him). The company ultimately failed, though it did a lot of original work and produced perhaps 50 patents. (and a couple of dozen burned out scientists and engineers).

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Monday, April 30, 2007 - 5:00pm

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1. ... and yet, Luke Setzer became an Objectivist...
If programming and propagandizing worked, we'd all still be Catholic.

2. Mike Erickson wrote: He told me it would have been impossible for him to get where he was without these government programs and they "had" to exist for those that needed them, and they were a great benefit to society. I didn't see the point in arguing with him given his experience ...

Well, if you go back through the archives here you will find that I lost just that same argument to Hong Zhang, Adam Reed, and others who said that Ayn Rand said that it is moral to accept government money for something that the government controls, but which would exist if the govrenment did not control it -- like opera or secondary education or space exploration -- but not moral to do something that no one should so -- such as working for the IRS.

So, on the basis of that, I enrolled in college, got Pell Grants and Perkins Loans and Sallie Mae money and I am on a career track for private security by majoring in criminal justice with a concentration in police administration.

Police power is the only proper function of government, of course, so I nailed that requirement.

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Monday, April 30, 2007 - 5:05pm

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I attended the New Jersey Governor's School in the Summer of 1985. I spent the entire time marching around in formation in a uniform of white-T-shirt and khaki pants.

The entire experience was miserable, thank God it was only two weeks long. I did meet a kid there named Bruce Lee, a Chinese immigrant whose name was suggested to his parents by a "helpful" immigration bureaucrat. He was perhaps the smartest person I've ever met. I introduced him to Rand, although he was skeptical. I later heard that his younger brother had committed suicide by ingesting cyanide stolen from his father's chem lab at Rutgers.

The strange thing is, that while I remember all these details, and even the look of the campus bookstore where I found The Ominous Parallels, I can't remember a single lecture or even one bit of subject matter that we studied!

Ted

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Thursday, May 3, 2007 - 7:27am

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Makes me glad my daughter declined the invitation to apply to PA's Governor's School for this summer. Actually, her decision was based on a similar horror story with Johns Hopkins Center for Talented Youth. She attended a summer course on Creative Writing after the 7th grade, and came back devastated. They told her she couldn't write, and her views were out of bounds. One of her assignments was to write a story about a journey she had taken, you know, like when your family went to Europe. Well, seeing as we are not jet setters, she had never been to Europe, or anywhere past Virginia, in her memory (we had been to the Philippines, but she was too young to remember). She decided to title her Essay "A Journey of the Mind" and wrote about her experience of reading Atlas Shrugged, the teacher went ballistic. She came back convinced she couldn't write.

Last year, (9th grade), she got a third place finish in ARI's Anthem essay contest. So, needless to say, she got over it, but I wouldn't recommend the experience to anyone.

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Thursday, May 3, 2007 - 8:04am

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One of her assignments was to write a story about a journey she had taken, you know, like when your family went to Europe....She decided to title her Essay "A Journey of the Mind" and wrote about her experience of reading Atlas Shrugged...

I have to say that your daughter's choice is not acceptable for this particular assignment. Not that she can't write probably, but if she just ignore the purpose of such assignment, what would you expect her teacher to say?

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Thursday, May 3, 2007 - 9:28am

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I think it was a creative solution - after all the purpose is not actually to know about everyone's journey, but to encourage creativity. I think it adhered to the spirit of the assignment, and that is all that matters - especially when teaching creative writing!

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Thursday, May 3, 2007 - 9:39am

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But there is difference between a travel journal and a book report!

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Thursday, May 3, 2007 - 1:00pm

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One of her assignments was to write a story about a journey she had taken, you know, like when your family went to Europe. Well, seeing as we are not jet setters, she had never been to Europe, or anywhere past Virginia, in her memory (we had been to the Philippines, but she was too young to remember). She decided to title her Essay "A Journey of the Mind" and wrote about her experience of reading Atlas Shrugged, the teacher went ballistic. She came back convinced she couldn't write.

As the designated paranoid, I'd like to voice my suspicion that, sometimes, certain assignments are given for either the conscious or subconscious reason of sifting through various sorts of people. My gut tells me that, on some level, an ulterior purpose for this "assignment" was to, perhaps, sort out the truly "money'd gentry" from the "middle-class scholarship" students... most likely to satisfy some curiosity on the part of either the teacher or the administration.

For what ultimate purpose such info could be applied, is anyone's guess. But my conclusion is that it succeeded quite well as a kind of "dragnet" by which to identify people such as your daughter and make her insidiously and socioeconomically uncomfortable while there.

By employing such tactics, perhaps they might even nudge her towards a general aversion to academia and trying to better herself altogether. Thus, another "presumptuous riff-raff" stands aside and perhaps gets pregnant and drops out of school or something. But, whatever the particulars, they will have preserved their hallowed halls for only themselves and others of only preexisting privilege.

(Edited by Jeremy M. LeRay on 5/03, 1:07pm)

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Thursday, May 3, 2007 - 3:44pm

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Hong, she did not write a book report. She wrote a brilliant essay describing the opening of a whole new world to her. I would agree, if she had written a simple book report, it would have been wholly inappropriate. As it was, I thought it was a brilliant solution to her conundrum of not having any actual physical journey to relate.

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Thursday, May 24, 2007 - 10:28am

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I received a telephone call last night from someone who attended this program the same year at the same campus as I did. I do not remember her but she participated in the music program there. She now lives in Orlando and is preparing for a music retreat this summer for a thesis on "The Heroic Journey." In preparing for this retreat, she thought of her Governor's School experience, which she enjoyed. She did a Google search and found this article, then followed the link to my profile and found my telephone number. We chatted for fifteen minutes or so and diverged to related subjects such as coincidences and Jung and his theory of synchronicity. I encouraged her to post her thoughts here. She had this to say:

Subject: a product of what he despises

Hi Luke. I called you this evening about Governor�s school. You know, here�s my thought. Synchronicity: when two or more seemingly 'pure chance' events coincidence to form a connection that has a special meaning for the perceiver. It�s not lost on me that I am researching the heroic journey. In the car on Thursday after visiting NASA, me and my ex-husband are discussing Ann Rynd. (I think he is an Objectivist, but hasn�t realized it yet. I�m not. I am actually a follower of Christ. Haven�t always been though.) So! You are a product of Governor�s school. A perfect example, actually, of the type of individual the program was designed to inspire. That you loathe the experience is interesting because a seed was planted there that brought you a point in your life where you challenged your belief system, and now embrace, not only embrace, but present yourself as a leader supporting a philosophical belief that is rather anti-culture, anti-religion.

Are you a Libertarian? Although you despise your experience at Governor�s school, I could easily put you up as a poster child for it! :) No insult. The thinkers that founded Black Mountain College , the school of thought behind the Governor�s school program, were doing then what you are doing now. It�s fascinating. On every person�s journey, there is the time for self-realization. I believe Rynd would see every person as a hero on their own personal journey toward reason. I do not think, though, that you could fill a room with individuals who agree on their moral purpose or agree on what Reason is. Individualism is an attractive concept, but I wonder if a growing society topples on that foundation.

So there you have it!

(Edited by Luke Setzer on 5/24, 10:32am)

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Thursday, May 24, 2007 - 11:37am

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Individualism is an attractive concept, but I wonder if a growing society topples on that foundation.

And the poison of the tribal lurks everywhere...