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Post 60

Friday, February 15, 2008 - 3:45pmSanction this postReply
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Schroedinger's Cat is a parable for superposition of quantum wave functions. It is not to be taken literally.

One thing physicists do that philosophers do not, is make testable quantitative predictions of the outcomes of experiments done under carefully specified conditions.

The result is not only mostly right predictions but all the technology we enjoy. The physicists (and the engineers) know what they are doing. The same cannot be said of They philosophers. If one laid all the philosophers that ever existed in a straight line head to foot, one could not reach a conclusion.

Bob Kolker

(Edited by Robert J. Kolker on 2/15, 3:47pm)


Post 61

Friday, February 15, 2008 - 3:58pmSanction this postReply
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If one laid all the philosophers that ever existed in a straight line head to foot, one could not reach a conclusion.

Seeing as how philosophers can be of either gender, it isn't possible to have "laid all the philosophers that ever existed in a straight line".

I'll be here all week, folks -- don't forget to tip your waitress!  ;)





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Friday, February 15, 2008 - 4:01pmSanction this postReply
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That is why Heinz Pagels' The Cosmic Code is much preferable to Capra's The Tao of Physics  ...
it removes the mysticism....

(Edited by robert malcom on 2/15, 4:01pm)


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Saturday, February 16, 2008 - 7:20amSanction this postReply
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Armaos wrote in #39:
Hmmm.....Rick and Jim, I don't see how you connect "I won't bother discussing a self-refuting concept, because other threads have discussed it at great length" to "unwilling to investigate it" or "not willing to hear people who weren't party to those discussions interject fresh thoughts and perspectives? " or "insisting what they believe in is not open to discussion"
Hmmm....Since I wrote none of the statements you quoted I fail to see how you could legitimately address me.

Why you would want to is another question.

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Post 64

Sunday, February 17, 2008 - 11:10amSanction this postReply
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Philosophical ideas are not easy to test because they even underlie the very idea of testing.  It was philosophers, like Francis Bacon, who advocated testing claims.  And not all scientific claims are subject to tests--in astrophysics, for example, or in mathematics and geometry.  Reasoning out whether such claims are true, or simply observing the world to find out, must be laid alongside testing as features of the scientific method.  (Several scientists, by the way, became philosophers of science--Thomas Kuhn, most famously, as well as members of the Vienna Circle. And there are books in print showing that at the foundations of science lie philosophical ideas.)

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