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Luther,

Loved the excerpts from this book. This guy is brilliant. Serious cojones.

Any guy who gets married nowadays -- no matter how seemingly rational and fair his female is -- is a damn fool. Just the state of knowing that you are ram-shackled to one person is stifling. Marriage only benefits females, no matter how much they strategically claim it doesn't.

In non-Western societies, males can do no wrong. In Western societies, females can do no wrong. Both ways are sick, but nonetheless, the code of chivalry controls Western society, and all females are automatically assumed to be "fair maidens" that must be given an "equalizing" advantage over men... which is rubbish, of course, in a system where such benefits never stop for them.

Sad to say, it takes a female with special willpower to not relax her integrity and just give into the "Miss Piggy" role... which society has all ready for them to slip into, whenever they like. Faced with such easy options with no repercussions, even the noblest female tends to grow a curly tail and start oinking.

Personally, I admire my cousin. He's a real estate buyer, and he has made millions which he no intentions of ever giving away half of... So, he has fathered a baby with his longtime girlfriend, and who shall remain his longtime girlfriend. He has relayed to me that she would only pressure him to get married, if her affections for him were ingenuous and too strainful of a facade to maintain, such that she needed the iron maiden of marriage to lock him into, so that she could exhale and release her inner and skillfully-hidden "Miss Piggy".

The moral of this story: Good girls don't ask for wedding rings.

Post 1

Saturday, January 29, 2005 - 2:15am

Wow, have your ex-girlfriends been that much of a disappointment? May I recommend a better dating service, perhaps?

Post 2

Saturday, January 29, 2005 - 4:31am

Luther,

Thanks for that. A funny and though-provoking site.

I thought this description of a developing relationship was hilarious:

1. Girl pressures guy for marriage.
2. Guy delays.
3. Girl gradually starts destroying guy's self-esteem and eliminating his friends.
4. Guy becomes too weak and too much of a loser to find something better than what he has.
5. Girl starts to limit sex. In effect controlling the only good thing in the guy's life.
6. Guy is in despair. Capitulates to marriage.

Men on this site do make valid points of criticism against a certain "type" of woman, but they do not offer any real solutions - apart from avoiding marriage and kids altogether or marrying foreigners. I think these guys are missing an opportunity.

I think a lot of their problems could be avoided through better communication. If they had really tried to communicate well with their partners before they got married, then they would have been able to find out straight away when or why their wives might withdraw sex or turn nasty. Then they could have then tried to work it out between themselves.

Of course that also requires open communication on the part of the wives too.

Those sorts of unhappy marriages seem to be perpetuated through stupidity and insincerity from both the men and women involved.

Post 3

Saturday, January 29, 2005 - 5:04am

You know, this site is on target about American women in a lot of ways. One of my brothers is well into his forties and unmarried, because he has yet to date a woman who doesn't turn into a neurotic psycho. Some can cover it up longer, but it eventually comes out.

One of them (who we all thought was a keeper!) ended up knocking on my door one day to grill me, asking if he was cheating on her, what he behaved like when she wasn't there, blah, blah. Sigh.

Needless to say, he is beginning to search abroad for a broad.

Because we are first-generation American, we don't understand a lot of this weirdness. Our parents didn't raise us with all these hangups. I have noticed that most American men are just as much of a mess. It's simply a different kind of mess -- the kind that comes from two generations of exposure to women's lib and the resulting lack of a solid masculine identity.

I bet a lot of women would be ok with being the woman, if he would just be the man. ;) Thankfully, this belief seems to be intact in the lands down under. :)

Post 4

Saturday, January 29, 2005 - 9:18am

Jennifer,

Advise your brother to look in Poland.

I just read an article in the paper that Englishmen are going to Poland in their hordes because the women are crazy for English-speaking men.

And it is not because they want citizenship. Since last year, anyone in Poland (part of the EU) can freely live and work in the UK if they wish.

According to the article, they make wonderful Girlfriends and even better wives. Polish women are said to be very sexual and devoted to their partners.

Post 5

Saturday, January 29, 2005 - 9:32am

The man who wrote the book we discuss in this thread also hosts this site which supports the comments about women in Poland:

http://www.singleabroad.com

Luke Setzer

Post 6

Saturday, January 29, 2005 - 9:34am

Luke, I thought that photo was completely hilarious. I forgot to comment on it in my last post!!

Marcus, my brother is happily clicking away. I hope it provides some new avenues for him. I would hate to see him subject himself to any more American, uh, "dreams." :)

(Edited by Jennifer Iannolo on 1/29, 10:55am)

Post 7

Saturday, January 29, 2005 - 10:34am

Two comments about Polish girls:

1) Rik Ocasek of "The Cars" married Paulina Porizkova back in the early 1980's. You've heard nary a peep from him since then, except for a brief cameo in some John Waters movie in the late 1990's. Paulina must not be making him miserable... That's for sure.

2) In all fairness, however, that previous photo of the two female butts was not entirely fair. I have seen the "tan and tone" butts in America, too... and I've seen the pasty fat ones from the eastern Bloc nations, too.

Post 8

Saturday, January 29, 2005 - 2:28pm

"I bet a lot of women would be ok with being the woman, if he would just be the man."

That says a lot Jennifer. I think its the self esteem of the man that will ultimately decide his happiness with women.

I suspect that the western vs non-western argument is fading as the television generation grows up.

John

Post 9

Saturday, January 29, 2005 - 2:35pm

Well, yes. A man of self-esteem would never tolerate the kinds of American women described on "NoMarriage.com."

As for the next generation, who knows what kind of mess they'll be. :) I must say though, that younger girls today don't seem to be sporting such a chip on their shoulder; it seems the boys now accept them as equals in many ways without much thought. However, the feminists will find them.

Lock up your daughters, folks. ;)

Post 10

Saturday, January 29, 2005 - 3:17pm

Contrary to most of the things I read here, when we were dating, my husband-to-be couldn't wait to get married. He was so confident that he was extremely hurt when I hesitated after his proposal. Well, I was definitely coerced into this marriage nine years ago! ;-) Anyway, I agree with Jennifer and I believe real men still exit.

Post 11

Saturday, January 29, 2005 - 3:51pm

Tell you what ladies; the problem is not women with chips on their shoulders. A whole pack of ugly femi-nazis are no match for a single self-assured man of character.

The problem are whiney, crying, pacifistic, overly-sensitive, Woody Allen/Alan Alda males that surrender their masculinity at the first sound of a PC pop-gun. On this issue I have ZERO sympathy for my fellow males. Notice how they can't wait to fall all over themselves to apologize even when they know themselves to be right. Sorry, but the hell with these so-called 'men'.

Tell you a little secret guys, the feminist didn't take our generations manhood, a thing like that cannot be taken; it has to be given away.

George

Post 12

Saturday, January 29, 2005 - 3:57pm

That last post of mine was very close to a rant. hmmmm?

What do you think of a bi-weekly Cordero rant on the issues of the day (guns, god, libertarians, weak males, ARI, pacifist ect...) ?

On the other hand, perhaps not. I don't want to become the Howard Beal of Solo.

George

Post 13

Saturday, January 29, 2005 - 4:20pm

Rants are fine. Just keep them in the thread, join the debate�instead of striking out of the ongoing debate with a new �article.�

Jon

Post 14

Saturday, January 29, 2005 - 4:34pm

Jon,

Many times said debates spark ideas for new articles. That's the whole point. In fact, that's how (and why) most of the articles on this site are written.

If a new aspect of an issue is addressed in a coherent, article format, we can often approach a debate from a new angle instead of rehashing the same things over and over -- which can become quite tedious.

Jennifer

Post 15

Saturday, January 29, 2005 - 4:39pm

Jennifer,

But no one picked up any new angles in the rant, the discussion just kept going as before with no references to the rant. It didn't add.

Jon

Post 16

Saturday, January 29, 2005 - 4:40pm

Of course, it is indeed the problem of the men who would tolerate such women. In the list Marcus pulled:

1. Girl pressures guy for marriage.
2. Guy delays.
3. Girl gradually starts destroying guy's self-esteem and eliminating his friends.
4. Guy becomes too weak and too much of a loser to find something better than what he has.
5. Girl starts to limit sex. In effect controlling the only good thing in the guy's life.
6. Guy is in despair. Capitulates to marriage.

There is no excuse for continuing past #3, and she is not the problem, so much as he is.

I agree with Marcus that one should be able to see what you�ve got, and if you cannot, then you have no chance at anything, anyway. Mistakes, OK. People change, fine. But a controlling bitch who suddenly appears out of nowhere the day after the ceremony? Only through willful evasion.

Regarding the G-Strings in Luther�s post #5, the blotted out friend opposite fatty appears to have some potential. Being nice to fatty could get you somewhere

George, have you written a gun rant?

Jon

Post 17

Saturday, January 29, 2005 - 4:47pm

Jon, the question is, which rant? Ha! :)

I agree with you and the other gentlemen that the onus is on the man to ask the right bloody questions, and not to tolerate such attempts at chipping away his self-esteem.

Bottom line: If you don't know the woman you are meeting at the end of the aisle, why the hell are you walking down to meet her?!

The same applies in reverse, of course. If my new husband magically became a beer guzzling, abusive, lazy shit the moment the deal was signed, I would blame myself for being an idiot.

Jennifer

Post 18

Saturday, January 29, 2005 - 5:14pm

Jennifer said: Jon, the question is, which rant? Ha! :)

Oouch! lol

Actually my next article is on Guns, but it's not a rant. My only article that was a rant was the Spanking one.

George

Post 19

Saturday, January 29, 2005 - 5:16pm