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Sunday, October 23, 2005 - 5:02pmSanction this postReply
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I haven't listened to Orbit, I'll have to check him out, but I have heard a lot of attempts to synth/computerize classical compositions, some with success, most failures, two successes that come to mind are most the works for Wendy Carlos, famous for the Ludwig Van soundtrack to A Clockwork Orange back in the 70s and much more recently, Venetian Snare's 2005 'Rossz Csillag Alatt Született', a combination of IDM, Hungarian Symphonic works and downtempo jazz and jazz vocals.

Why it works, I'm not a musicologist, but they aren't so overawed with the technology that the music is subverted in the attempt to be high tech and they aren't so slavish to the original that it simply sounds like a poor/mediocore cover song, but reflects the character of the composer as well.

In Venetian Snare's case (I'm not aware of how Wendy Carlos worked), its one guy sitting behind his computer and a couple keyboards making compositions -- not too far away from what Beethoven, etc. did back in the day -- perhaps, given the choice, Mozart, etc. would have prefered a computer to work with than a live orchestra and all the extra patronage, work, cost and politics that required.

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Sunday, October 23, 2005 - 11:39pmSanction this postReply
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Okay so you convinced me to ordered this CD because of the (Samuel) Barber. I cant wait to see what he does with it. I adore Barber. So since you mentioned him I would like to give props to Barber's "The School for Scandal" as well as "the adagio for strings" awesome and American and.... yea!

Ill get back to you on "theories on what makes the orchestral versions stand out from the synth versions, if anyone's game..." if I can. Cool.

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Monday, October 24, 2005 - 9:09amSanction this postReply
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William Orbit is a primo example of a modern composer, arranger, and technologist. Virtually everything he touches is unique, economical, and sounds great. Listen even to how he produces Madonna songs- brilliant.

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Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 5:02pmSanction this postReply
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I would like to hear your theory on human orchestras vs synth -- to me its oranges vs lemons (my apologies to XTC) -- in part the technology behind the synth versions was until recently that it just sounded cold and lifeless because the limitations were limitless. Now, and growing every day, technology allows the sounds to be fuller, the layers to be limitless so that IMO the two are on par and only separated by the ability and creativity of the composer.

Now, if you are talking about live performance vs recordings, well, thats a different area altogether.



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Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 5:21pmSanction this postReply
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I have no problem with synthesizing acoustic instruments, it does put so much power into the hands of the individual musician/composer (like not having to pay union dues to an orchestra, or musicians not showing up, musicians with attitude, etc...). Personally, though, I like to see what synths can do on their own terms, beyond imitating pre-existing instruments.

Has anyone else ever noticed, or have this experience, that when they hear a certain instrument played, they "see" that instrument in their mind's eye? If I hear a violin, for example, I know it's a violin, and I judge the music based on my expectations of violins. But with synths, or any non-traditional sound, it's harder to picture an instrument, leading me to focus more on the sound and the music.


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Wednesday, October 26, 2005 - 6:44amSanction this postReply
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As a science fiction lover, I never had that problem, since could readily accept new sounds - so long as the notes played were 'on key'...  and that is, to me, the crux of it, the 'on key'ness... those who keep defending dissonance, nay - discord,  need bear in mind the culture in which they live, and the insuing sense of nilhilism which pervades, which makes the music of the fatalistic mindset of the far east seem palpable sunday school chorals in comparison... this is, for example, why minor keys are so well explored and utilized - to emphasize that 'negative' aspect of living, and trivialize the positive ones, relegating those to moments of comedy amidst the presumed 'seriousness' of tragedy, as if this latter were the normal instead of the circumstancial norm [a crucial difference seldom explored]...

And no, am not forgetting those few who do emphasize the positive - just noting that they are the few among the jangle of the horde of 'nabbling nabobs of negativism'...

(Edited by robert malcom on 10/26, 6:46am)


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Wednesday, October 26, 2005 - 3:23pmSanction this postReply
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I don't know where the dissonance aspect came in from this, but that and the major/minor issue it certainly a thread in itself...

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