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Post 60

Saturday, October 15, 2005 - 8:01pmSanction this postReply
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Sarah said: "Some may agree with you, but it's become common for sanctions to flow freely to those without their first Atlas thingy so as to get them off of moderation.  Given that you've repeatedly ignored my, and others, requests to give something other than generalized character attacks, I think that practice should be rethought."

Please do.  Our moderation system is there for a reason.  If we wanted people to have unlimited access to the site immediately, we would.  When people decide to be "benevolent", bypassing the system, they just open the site up to this kind of filth.

I put "benevolent" in scare quotes because this guy showed his true colors from his first post.  He showed a gross lack of understanding of Objectivism and economics.  He slandered an entire group without a hint of evidence.  And he attacked again and again and again.  The only sign of openness to reason he displayed was when he demanded at the beginning it be posted or it would prove he was right, and that's not exactly a sign of reason.  You have to ignore all of that in order to still give him the benefit of the doubt.  He showed up and spit on us all, and people tried to be nice.  At some point, being nice isn't "benevolent", it's masochism.

People should have said "this guy sounds like a fruit-loop", and maybe decided to engage him just to be sure if they had time to waste.  But throwing Atlas points his way?  He sounds like a raving nut-job, so let's give him unlimited access to the place so we can be sure!

Please, please don't try to bypass the moderation policy.  It just means that I have to go in and manually moderate him (which I did...and now I've inactivated him).  If we find that "benevolence" keeps letting these people through, we'll have to make a change to the system to prevent it.  That may mean removing certain people's ability to sanction.  Or it may mean putting everyone under moderation until the owners decide otherwise.


Post 61

Saturday, October 15, 2005 - 8:15pmSanction this postReply
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Joe-

Please do.  Our moderation system is there for a reason.  If we wanted people to have unlimited access to the site immediately, we would.  When people decide to be "benevolent", bypassing the system, they just open the site up to this kind of filth.
Your point is well articulated.  I have at times been guilty of that myself, if for no other reason than to make newbies feel welcome and feel as if we are taking their thoughts seriously.  You are right though, they should first have to prove their thoughts worthy of being taken seriously.  I will now commit to not doling out the unearned and I hope this example of Daniel will cause others to act with caution when it comes to first-time posters.


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Saturday, October 15, 2005 - 8:32pmSanction this postReply
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"If we find that "benevolence" keeps letting these people through, we'll have to make a change to the system to prevent it.  That may mean removing certain people's ability to sanction.  Or it may mean putting everyone under moderation until the owners decide otherwise."

Maybe it's too easy to get that first Atlas icon thing. Daniel actually got one from just those few points issued. I had no idea it took so few to get the first icon.

Maybe the standard's a little too low? (I can hear a, "Gee, ya'think?" now.)


Post 63

Saturday, October 15, 2005 - 11:23pmSanction this postReply
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As someone who was on moderation for two weeks before I could respond in real time to a thread, I don't think the answer is to make the first Atlas harder to get, but to do as Joe suggests and not sanction a vituperative first thread posted in the dissent forum. 

-Kevin


Post 64

Sunday, October 16, 2005 - 9:41amSanction this postReply
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Overall the present system seems to be working okay as is, especially if we are more discriminate from now on about initial sanctions. And DD's first post was educational about what is and isn't sincerity, openness and honesty. He sounded like someone already kicked out of here who decided to come back and lob in a bomb.

--Brant
still under moderation :-(


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Post 65

Sunday, October 16, 2005 - 1:59pmSanction this postReply
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"--Brant
still under moderation :-("

How come? You've got three of those Atlas things hanging under your name!


Post 66

Sunday, October 16, 2005 - 3:05pmSanction this postReply
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I've been a bad, bad boy.:-)--oops! I mean :-(

--Brant


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Post 67

Sunday, October 16, 2005 - 6:00pmSanction this postReply
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I, for one, stand completely corrected.

Joe, you have my sincere apology for giving this jerk the benefit of the doubt over your moderation policy. Others followed my lead, but I take full responsibility for setting off the wave. Is was an error on my part and nothing similar will happen again coming from me.

Michael


Post 68

Sunday, October 16, 2005 - 7:03pmSanction this postReply
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I let his first post through even though I suspected he was a recently-departed or long-departed malcontent. (It's now clear enough which one it was.) He had the courtesy to post on the Dissent Forum, & I know some folks like to engage avowed adversaries. Engaging them doesn't require sanctioning them, however. Lesson learned by relevant sanctioners, I think. After his "boy scout" post, which I let through because it showed him up for what he was, Joe & I agreed it was time he was gone. And he is. Till his next attempt at reincarnation, I suppose. :-)

Linz

Post 69

Tuesday, October 18, 2005 - 11:55amSanction this postReply
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Another SOLO Reject at SOLOrejects.com

http://usabig.com/wowbbforums/view_topic.php?id=341&forum_id=6


Post 70

Tuesday, October 18, 2005 - 12:07pmSanction this postReply
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Hilarious.  What a whiny little shit he is.

Post 71

Tuesday, October 18, 2005 - 12:57pmSanction this postReply
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This guy yaps on and on and on about the sanctions from a "senior member" of Solo (which was me - although I don't know about that "senior" business), as if such sanction meant agreement with his ideas about Objectivism - and Solo, by implication.

Here is what I said to him at the beginning:
By the way, I agree with a great deal of what you said. I do not think it applies to Objectivism, though.
His sanction from me (the five points), which prompted others to join in, as they know who I am and where I was coming from according to my first post (it sure wasn't rocket science), was an error on my part. So I want to be very clear on what the real merit is in this situation.

Daniel Diogenes got sanctioned for that initial post because I fucked up.

(Duly acknowledged, apologized for and corrected for similar future cases.)

I hope that clears up this one misrepresentation.

Michael

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Tuesday, October 18, 2005 - 1:28pmSanction this postReply
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     I don't know which I find harder to believe:
        1) What this 'Daniel Diogenes' has written over at his new-found site.
                or
         2) That they have absolutely no prob with what he's written. He's argued nothing there, anymore than here. He's merely asserted evaluations all over the place. Hey, ok, Autonomists and SOLOists don't get along (hmm...shades of TOC/ARI, or pro/anti abortionists), but...
     Not good.

LLAP
J:D

P.S: Can't wait 'till 'Bill Socrates' shows up.


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Tuesday, October 18, 2005 - 4:54pmSanction this postReply
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So SOLO is a cult now? When do we shave our heads? ;)

WHO IS THIS TWIT?

Post 74

Tuesday, October 18, 2005 - 5:22pmSanction this postReply
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So SOLO is a cult now? When do we shave our heads?

When I tell you!

WHO IS THIS TWIT?

Orion/Celeste, if I'm not mistaken.








Post 75

Tuesday, October 18, 2005 - 5:48pmSanction this postReply
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Linz, I am 95% sure that Orion and Celeste were the same person.  I think Daniel is a different person altogether, however.  Consider that he shrugged off the threat of Islamists and indicated that the United States was the biggest thug of them all.  Not very Orion-like!  Then again, he could just be trying to carefully disguise his identity. 

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Tuesday, October 18, 2005 - 5:54pmSanction this postReply
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I miss Orion and my daily dose of paranoid rant!

Post 77

Tuesday, October 18, 2005 - 6:11pmSanction this postReply
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The malice had me betting on Orileste as well. Maybe he just switched up his argument to throw us off his trail.

Sarah

Post 78

Tuesday, October 18, 2005 - 6:00pmSanction this postReply
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I went over there. They are crazy-funny! And who is this Stoyalard?
 
BRANT--I AM BRANT!!!!


Post 79

Tuesday, October 18, 2005 - 6:27pmSanction this postReply
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Brant,

You want crazy, look at Stoly's treatise on his "filosofy" of science. It takes a superficial (mis)understanding of modern physics, criticizes it, and posits going back to a Newtonian absolutist framework, in which none of modern physics would work at all. Wacko.

Sarah

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