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Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 1:11pmSanction this postReply
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I submit this essay in the highest spirit of optimism, but with the lowest sense of pessimism.  Should it see print, I will be compelled to re-evaluate all my conclusions about Objectivism.  But somehow, I don't think that will become an eventuality.

You know, there's a little something called "lying".  It involves doing one thing and saying another.  The philosophy that dares to call itself "Objectivism" is such a phenomenon.  It has hijacked the good name of "objectivity" in order to construct an intimidating aura of seeming infallibility, when many of its "unassailable certainties" are nothing more than arbitrary whims.

Objectivism's premise that an individual is of "inferior" value if he is not constantly original and innovative is false.  This neurotic obsession with never-ending innovation puts undue psychological pressure on insecure individuals, instills in them an inadequacy complex, and makes them unjust and sadistic with regards to constantly "proving" their excellence. This indiscriminate obsession with overachievement is overrated and very often unnecessary in a world filled with systems that work just fine already.  If a wheel works, there's no need to reinvent it.

Much of Objectivism, in this regard, amounts to nothing more than mean-spirited, narcissistic vanity.

A common character flaw in Objectivists arises from this instilled terror of not being outstanding, and it consists of pretending to not notice, acknowledge, and/or boisterously ridicule the outstanding achievements of those outside their clique, and then later turning around and claiming and restating that same individual's ideas as their own.  This has become a very common Objectivist tactic, this dishonest denial of reality in order to enhance one's own self-image.  But it's parasitism, pure and simple.

Much of Objectivism also amounts to feudalism, where lip-service is given to the practice of meritocracy.  This is caused by another false premise of Objectivism, which states that only "thinkers" really matter.  First of all, much of what is being called "thinking" here has less to do with balanced, logical thought, and more to do with narcissistic and terroristic infliction of preschoolishly myopic whims and tantrums. 

The typical Objectivist argument is that only the CEO of a corporation matters, and that only he is really entitled to any real show of respect, in the form of outlandish and exponential payment.  The employee who performs "non-thinking" work is irrelevant.

This might be true when an entrepreneur starts a small business and can perform all job functions himself, but it no longer holds true once he wishes to go large-scale, because he can't be everywhere at once.  True, he might actually be able to perform any given job function at his company, but the point is that he can't perform them all at once.  The moment he thinks he can, his employees should walk out on him.

However, the truth also is that many CEO's could NOT perform many of the highly peculiar and specialized job functions within their own companies, and so the rationale that the CEO could easily do without any of the "inferior, burdensome serfs" whose non-neurotic, "unmotivated" presences he must suffer through and actually have to "reward" with payment... payment which he consistently arrogates deserves to be as low as legally possible, damn those meddlesome laws which fail to share his logically-flawed, neurotic fear and loathing of anything less than the most narcissistic displays of overachievement.

And so, "Objectivism" is objectivity in name only... It's true name is Neuroticism.  And this is the real philosophy that its thralls wish to inescapably metastasize to all furthest regions of the planet Earth.

Woe be unto all of us if they succeed.

(Edited by Daniel Diogenes on 10/12, 5:02pm)


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Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 2:36pmSanction this postReply
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Hi Daniel.

Welcome to Solo. I am laughing right now because you really laid it out there. Good for you.

Now that your article has seen print, and even getting a reaction from a staunch member of Solo, do you feel compelled to re-evaluate all your conclusions about Objectivism?

If so, then there is much we can discuss.

By the way, I agree with a great deal of what you said. I do not think it applies to Objectivism, though. Maybe it does to a few so-called Objectivists you might have encountered.

How much do you actually know about Objectivism? Have you done much reading? If not, I will be glad to help point you toward a few things that will help answer some of your concerns.

I really like your spirit - for now, anyway.

Michael

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Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 3:48pmSanction this postReply
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Michael, what have you been told about feeding trolls?

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Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 3:58pmSanction this postReply
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Joe,

This guy might not be a troll. Let's see what he's got and where this goes.

(I do have my crystal ball moments...)

Michael


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Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 5:05pmSanction this postReply
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I'm not sure he's a certifiable troll either...  

Definitely ignorant, but not necessarily a troll.







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Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 5:08pmSanction this postReply
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I'd just about bet my ass that this guy has been moderated before under a different name.  I'd love to give debate with him a go though, especially when it comes to what he obviously thinks about minimum wage.

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Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 5:22pmSanction this postReply
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" And this is the real philosophy that its thralls wish to inescapably metastasize to all furthest regions of the planet Earth."

I'm sorry, but being referred to as a "thrall" in this context is not going to encourage me to debate or engage. I don't see this an an expression of sincere debate, it's a drive by shooting.

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Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 5:45pmSanction this postReply
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Joe,

My bet is that he doesn't know much about Objectivism - just reviews, other people's opinions and things like that. Maybe skimmed a book or two. And that he is using invective as rhetoric to get attention.

If this is true, then it might be worthwhile opening up Objectivist thought to him in a more correct manner. (He did say that he would revise his view if that thing was posted...)

Jody - You may be right that he unsuccessfully tried to post before, but I have reasonable doubt.

Michael


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Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 6:11pmSanction this postReply
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Michael-
At first I was thinking Orville Redenbacher or Jeff Riggen-something, whatever his name is, but though the vitriole is similar, the subject of the argument is not.  Hmmm...I hope the mods don't deal with them just yet.  I love a good street fight sometimes!


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Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 6:18pmSanction this postReply
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Michael, you must have the patience of Job.


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Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 6:23pmSanction this postReply
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Joe,

Benevolence.

Michael


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Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 6:39pmSanction this postReply
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I knew you were going to say that (I have my crystal ball moments as well...) :P.

Ok, extend the olive branch...

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Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 7:28pmSanction this postReply
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Diogenes: Greek philosopher and founder of the Cynic school who advocated self-control and the pursuit of virtue through simple living. He is said to have once wandered through the streets of Athens with a lantern in daylight, searching for an honest man. [emphasis added]

If nothing else I can respect such a quest. I wonder, though, if your contempt is not simply for sake of contempt. Your post certainly read as such to me. Care to try again and avoid the ad hominems?

Sarah

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Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 4:52pmSanction this postReply
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Why did you call me a troll?  Is it because I'm a newcomer?  Was I supposed to start off meekly?  Did I shine too much, too soon?  Is this a crowing contest?  Did I embarrass the other roosters?  Is that what troll means?  If so, then perhaps I am a troll.

Do I have to earn enough seniority in order to make important, valid points?  These are all the objectivist attitudes that I wrote about... placing petty vanities above the acknowledgement of merit.  A healthy ego is one thing... a cancerous egomania is another.

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Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 8:24pmSanction this postReply
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John Paul Sherman had a friend - indeed, he was the one who published his book, Sing Me a Sky - named Syd Greenberg, who also wrote a book, Ayn Rand and Alienation... this 'essay' reminds me very much of the mindset of the first tale Syd did in that book, how off the understanding he was regarding what the philosophy was about...

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Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 8:46pmSanction this postReply
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"Why did you call me a troll? Is it because I'm a newcomer? Was I supposed to start off meekly? Did I shine too much, too soon? Is this a crowing contest? Did I embarrass the other roosters? Is that what troll means? If so, then perhaps I am a troll."

Nah, you're a great guy, Daniel, a hero even. So sorry, shine on...



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Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 9:03pmSanction this postReply
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Daniel,

LOLOLOLOLOL... (That's a benevolent laugh, by the way.)

Now that the troll issue has been dealt with, do you have any interest in answering my questions? I will repeat them, modified.

Now that your article has seen print, and even getting a reaction from several staunch members of Solo, do you feel compelled to re-evaluate all your conclusions about Objectivism - as you stated?

How much do you actually know about Objectivism? What Objectivist works have you read?

It's OK if you have not read many - or even any at all. We can still have much to discuss. I ask so that I will know whether certain explanations will be redundant or whether I can point you to a work you might enjoy.

Michael

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Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 9:59pmSanction this postReply
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However, the truth also is that many CEO's could NOT perform many of the highly peculiar and specialized job functions within their own companies, and so the rationale that the CEO could easily do without any of the "inferior, burdensome serfs" whose non-neurotic, "unmotivated" presences he must suffer through and actually have to "reward" with payment... payment which he consistently arrogates deserves to be as low as legally possible, damn those meddlesome laws which fail to share his logically-flawed, neurotic fear and loathing of anything less than the most narcissistic displays of overachievement.
No one is forced to work for this CEO. The company is his, the company's equipment and property is his, the products are his. Other individuals (not the CEO) are free to choose to trade their labor for some money and free to choose not to trade.

Yes, if the CEO doesn't offer enough (or offer the right things) that would make other individuals want to work for him, then those individuals will probably not choose to work for him. This is what happens in Capitalism (a society of free trade), and it is the economic system of choice for Objectivists. If one CEO doesn't pay his employees enough, his company will not be very efficient, so another individual can make a company that provides the similar products/services and create new opportunities for people to trade labor with him for a higher wage.

A forced minimum wage in a society prevents all individuals in that society from trading less valued human labor. It prevents a large number of people from being employed-- because they are unable to produce enough value for companies to willingly hire them. Some products and services can be provided by people outside of the society, this is where "out-sourcing" comes in. Some products and services can't be provided by people outside of the society, and this is where you get problems like trash not being worth picking up, no waiters in the restaurant, no shoe polishers, no so many things!

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Thursday, October 13, 2005 - 1:09amSanction this postReply
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I have my own issues with Objectivism, and maybe I'll write about them some day.  But this post by Diogenes seems to me like an attack on a straw man version of Objectivism.  (Okay, everyone, that was my first ever use of the term "straw man", the internet philosophy community is really rubbing off on me.)

Objectivism's premise that an individual is of "inferior" value if he is not constantly original and innovative is false.
I've never heard this "premise" in Objectivism before.

A common character flaw in Objectivists arises from this instilled terror of not being outstanding, and it consists of pretending to not notice, acknowledge, and/or boisterously ridicule the outstanding achievements of those outside their clique, and then later turning around and claiming and restating that same individual's ideas as their own.
Ayn Rand's novels, with characters like Mike in The Fountainhead, make a point of showing that you don't have to be some exceptional genius in order to be a good person.  On this website and other Objectivist websites I look at, it seems like I constantly see Objectivists glorifying the achievements of non-Objectivists.  Some Objectivists have character flaws, but I don't think you can claim these flaws are a part of Objectivism, if Objectivism as presented by Ayn Rand explicitly says otherwise.

This is caused by another false premise of Objectivism, which states that only "thinkers" really matter.
I've never heard this "premise" in Objectivism.

The typical Objectivist argument is that only the CEO of a corporation matters.
I've never heard that Objectivism says this.

damn those meddlesome laws which fail to share his logically-flawed, neurotic fear and loathing of anything less than the most narcissistic displays of overachievement.
You really think this is an accurate description of the psychology of a CEO who opposes minimum wage laws?  I wouldn't have been surprised if you'd described such a CEO as being greedy and wanting to maximize his profits.  But this "neurotic fear and loathing" you're describing seems totally unrealistic.

In any case, I'd say the main reason Objectivism opposes minimum wage laws is that all human interaction should be strictly voluntary, and a minimum wage law can only be implemented with the use of force against peaceful people.  If a jobless person decided to offer his services for $3.00 an hour in order to get a job, would you point a gun at him and tell him he must not do so?  Would you point a gun at his potential employer and tell him he must not hire the poor guy?  Or would you leave the two of them alone and let them live their own lives.

There is also the economic argument that minimum wage laws increase unemployment.  You may disagree with these arguments, but that "neurotic fear and loathing" remark seems way off.

What you're attacking isn't Objectivism.  It's, like, a distorted view of Objectivism.

Hmm....didn't know I was going to write this much.

 


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Thursday, October 13, 2005 - 12:03amSanction this postReply
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No, we're not talking about open systems here.  It's glorious vanity, but nothing but delusion.

CEO's have their unions and their collusions and their price-fixing.  Wal-Mart has purchased the federal and local governments, to get special zoning privileges and entire zoning ordinances changed, so they can have the choicest locations and unfair advantages that almost nobody else has.

Yet Wal-Mart and other such pseudo-capitalist, feudalistic monoliths are cheered and lauded by Objectivist societies such as ARI, TOC, and SOLO.  This despite the violation of laissez-faire.

Objectivists warp reality itself around such practices and such collusions, despite their violations of laissez-faire.  The rationalisations objectivists provide are astounding.

And so it's "okay" for CEO's to collude and unionize, even though we don't use that dirty word "unionize" when talking about CEO-governmental conspiracy and unfair competition.  And so the Randroids say that's okay. 

It's only when the non-narcissistic and more honest respectors of reality -- the more humbly-living middle and lower class -- decide to unionize against the CEO unions, that "union" becomes a bad word. 

There is no justification for objectivism and its practices.  It's just narcissism desperate for a legitimizing argument. 


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