|Hey there, Dean, you wrote:|
Argh. I sometimes wonder if you guys make any real attempt to understand how people other than yourselves think. I ask serious questions, raise what I think are relevant issues and I get this kind of off-handed hatchet job. You make it sound like I was saying Objectivists were all a bunch of trigger happy killers. Without the context which I gave you (the exceptional personal dangers I've seen--no, I didn't give you specific examples, but I haven't exactly had a lot of good luck with that level of self-discloser around here--besides the generality should have been enough for the purposes of the argument) that sentence you quote makes me sound pretty nutty. You, as the voice of reason, then refute my absurd claim. And folks sanction your spin doctoring.
If I were a rational gun-toting Objectivist, I might have killed several people in my life by now.Comparing this with reality: there are plenty of people here who carry guns, who have also not killed anyone. In fact, how frequently have you heard in the news that an "extremely selfish" "Objectivist" killed a man? Zero instances? Not even when they were threatened and armed? There must be a discrepancy between your perception of Objectivists and reality.
The irony is that Objectivists talk as if they do kill or at least really should be killing people on a fairly regular basis:
A rational person with a big gun is your best friend.
Men who set out to destroy arbitrarily are nothing to care about -- they are demons.
Is it when someone slaps your little brother, steals from you, makes you pay income tax, breaks into your house, swindles you, rapes you, or tries to kill you? Just how much initiation of force are you willing to take before you deem it appropriate to respond?
They have made a choice against life, and for you to value their life in that case, you are not valuing your own.
A victim who doesn't fight back is just giving an open invitation for the offense to be repeated.
Lack of punishment will guarantee that there is no justice.With all this tough talk about demons and the necessity of punishment and people with ZERO value, why aren't you guys killing people every day? Yes, I'm being a smart-ass, but you guys talk more trash than the WWF! There seems to be a discrepancy between your perceptions of yourselves and reality. I'm not a big fan of trading barbs, Dean, but your objection to my post really underlined the central irony of the discussion for me.
If someone knowingly commits an act they know to be wrong, even once, they are fully corrupt. The key being knowingly. Now, if they make ammends later, assuming its something you can make up for, then they can be considered in a new light, but one should never forget that they once commited an evil act.I just don't know where to begin. I don't know anyone who has committed an act that was wrong without knowing it. Even children know right from wrong. (It's possible, certainly. Sociopathic disorder comes to mind; such folk tend not know right from wrong.) And who hasn't committed at least one wrong act? I know the subject has been wavering around murder, but you really seem to be expanding your argument to all wrong doing. Could you say more about this, please; I've never heard a reasonable person talk like this, except maybe hyperbolically, but I get the idea that you mean what you're saying.