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Post 20

Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 12:53amSanction this postReply
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Just so we're clear—the technical work here is done by Joe & Jeff. I haven't conferred with Joe on this one, but I should imagine he feels the same as I—as someone's already said, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

And there's no way we're going to reinstate a means for folk to mark other posters down. We had that at the outset, but it quickly became abused by a few people pursuing vendettas.

Linz

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Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 3:12amSanction this postReply
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Michael said:
"About the footnote insertion, I'm not talking about hyperlinks. I'm talking about real footnotes. See below in order to further understand Linz's thinking on the need to solve this problem.
http://solohq.com/Forum/NewsDiscussions/0549_2.shtml#40"

I am sorry Michael, but its still not clear to me what you mean by "real footnote". I also do not know what problem you or Lindsay Perigo may be trying to solve. I read the discussion that you linked, where some people linked to themselves and other people complained. Is this the problem you are talking about or what is it?

Jennifer Iannolo, what name would you prefer others to use when referring to you?

As for me, I think that using my first name in full length is proper, but one could say my first and middle name to please me. I prefer that one does not use my last name, unless it is questionable as to which Dean one is referring to.

Post 22

Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 3:52amSanction this postReply
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I agree that there are a lot of problems in a rating scheme. At first it sounds great, but I am dreaming of a Utopia. Instead of having this scheme, maybe it is important to simply encourage others to write something worthwhile.

One thing that bothers me is when a person makes a threat to ignore, and then they post again. Surely that just encourages a troll to continue its absurdity.

Maybe we could have our own section at solo that describes different forms of negative behavior, and how to treat them. Then when there is an outbreak such as the one made by Lee Stranahan and fellow soloists in The Virtue of Selfishness And Children we can simply refer to the behavior section. If this section already exists, why haven't I seen it yet?


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Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 4:19amSanction this postReply
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Jennifer Iannolo said:
"And trees -- well, they are the most difficult way to find information in any forum. There's no information until you actually click the link."

I disagree, there is a good deal of information even on a collapsed post. The fact that the text is not showing indicates that your peers consider the text is not good enough to be displayed by the criteria that you specify. Maybe it is rude, or maybe its not funny enough, I don't know what you would specify. Also, in a tree, a post would relate to it's parent's post, so if you are looking for more discussion related to the parent, then you can expand that area of the tree.

Might I also point out that each person could change their settings. I could choose my tree that is ordered by subject then time that fits on a somewhat lengthy page, and you can go with your time sorted list that spans tens of pages. : )

One main difference between a subject sorted tree and a time sorted list is that in the tree, there are multiple conversations that split off, and in the list, there is only one conversation.

Maybe this will not matter until solo grows to 1000 active members or so. With 1000 members that want to say something, it would be practically impossible to hold a discussion without a tree. Maybe it would be good to prepare a little for the future. We want the entire population of the world to become rational and join, correct?

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Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 7:52amSanction this postReply
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Happy Sunday morning... great party.  I now have two very hung-over kids with raisin-fingers. Please, people, next time don't leave liquor in the glasses that the kids wash. Poor little Sean had a bad case of the spins.

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Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 8:19amSanction this postReply
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I could not find anything on "orgy 1894 style" after a pretty intensive google search. What is it, Kathy?

Post 26

Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 10:04amSanction this postReply
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Dean, I normally go by Jennifer.  Of course, I've been called many a name, not all of them pleasant, but that is the one I like best.  ;)

Thanks for asking.   :)


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Post 27

Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 10:30amSanction this postReply
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Dean,

"I am sorry Michael, but its still not clear to me what you mean by "real footnote". I also do not know what problem you or Lindsay Perigo may be trying to solve."

Lighten up dude. Some things are said tongue-in-cheek. I was pulling Linz's string.

Linz (Lindsay Perigo) complains about this orgy of cross-referencing that goes on in the academic world in order to hide the fact that most of them do not even have a clue as to the real issues - and if they did, they want to hide it behind a whole lot of sophisticated nonsense to protect their salaries, images or whatever. And he is magnificently sui generis in manifesting his views about it. (Try saying a weasel word near him. BTW - Chris Sciabarra does know what he is talking about, so he is not subjected to Linz's wrath about links and footnotes.)

I suggest you look around a bit at the other articles and postings on SOLO and get your head out of that long-winded go-nowhere thread. There's an amazing lot of wisdom around here. I'm pretty much a recent arrival also. I am very much enchanted by all this good new stuff I'm finding - and I've only scratched the surface.

As to you, Jenny baby, pipe down. You already know what I've got to say to you.

Mikey (yech - that doesn't even sound right)


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Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 12:49pmSanction this postReply
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Post #27 -1 (rude)

Michael: What do you have to say?

Bug in forum: The last time I posted, the script used text from my previous "priview" instead of using the text in my textbox.
(Edited by Dean Michael Gores
on 3/13, 12:53pm)


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Post 29

Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 1:05pmSanction this postReply
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Dayamm Dean! Git you ass on into the kitchen too...

//:-)

Michael



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Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 1:10pmSanction this postReply
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I guess labeling rude behavior is not enough. Michael, could you explain how your comment to Jennifer Iannolo in Post 27 was in your short, medium, and long range best interest?

Thanks,
Dean

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Post 31

Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 1:12pmSanction this postReply
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No.

Post 32

Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 1:15pmSanction this postReply
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Dean,
Here is the kitchen, where the party of "orgy 1894 style" is still going...



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Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 1:23pmSanction this postReply
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WooooooooHooooooo another orgy.  TOGA!  TOGA!   TOGA!

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Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 5:45pmSanction this postReply
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Thanks for the link Hong.

Sorry Michael. I finally realized that half of the discussion on this forum was cary over from a conversation on another thread. Plus I have no idea what kind of relationship you have with the women here at solo. Too bad typed text strips out body language and other channels of communication.

Clarence Hardy wrote: "We just really need a search function". Are there any plans on implementing a search engine on this site? I am currently developing a search engine in C++, PHP, and MySQL for another website, but maybe it could be of use here?

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Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 5:54pmSanction this postReply
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Dean:

"I have no idea what kind of relationship you have with the women here at solo..."

Cyber-friends man. Like I've been trying to do with you.

Michael


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Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 7:15pmSanction this postReply
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There's a search engine on the home page.

Post 37

Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 7:39pmSanction this postReply
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Dean, I tried the posting the image into the source and the code comes out as text rather than an image. Did I miss something. The post in question is over in Clubs in a thread about meetup. I tweaked the logo but it wouldn't appear in the message so I just made a link to it.

I hope I didn't freak you out with all of the silliness about the kitchen. It was just a take off from the joke site.


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Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 8:08pmSanction this postReply
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I posted the directions here mistakenly: Clubs. There I said that you have to press the "Post/Preview" button, not the "Preview with Spell Check" button to actually see the picture.

I also just learned that when you press the "Post" button, it posts the stuff from the preview area. It does not use the text in the text box that you may have just spent a great deal of time working on. : ). And the window closes, so you completely loose all of your work. : ) This is what I was complaining about in Post #28 but I was not completely sure what was happening then.
(Edited by Dean Michael Gores
on 3/13, 8:11pm)


Post 39

Monday, March 14, 2005 - 1:29amSanction this postReply
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Lindsay's right that Jeff and I do the technical stuff, although I've been doing most of it lately.  I also agree that if it's not broken, we don't want to fix it. And trust me, there's enough broken stuff to worry about.  Not to mention new ventures.

A few comments, though, for why I don't intend to do anything anyone suggests.

Right now, we're processor limited, not bandwidth.  So dynamic pages, like the front page, need to be kept to a minimal.  If we had a ton it would be great to do every page fully dynamic based on permission status, etc.  Ain't gonna happen.  As it is, our traffic is so huge lately that we're being pressured to move to a dedicated server.  Everything else is low priority.

We've had enough crackpots post on the forum when allowed to from the beginning that we're quite happy with the moderator queue mechanism.  No plans to change that.  It might be a minor nuisance for new members to post, but it's a huge nuisance to allow crackpots such easy access.

As for tree structure of a forum, we considered that when we designed this, but trees are painful aesthetically.  To get wide trees on a page, which you need to do to see the connection of new posts with old posts, you need small fonts, bold for unread and normal for read posts, etc.  This linear mechanism works pretty well...if you want to go on a tangent,  you can always start a new thread.  And it keeps a lot more of the pages static.  Also, for long back and forth discussions, which you'd expect on an Objectivist forum, the tree needs to go further to the right.  Tree formats are optimized for little depth in conversation.

As for putting picture up, the reason it's so difficult is because our webmasters (myself and Jeff) have other things to do than FTP a bunch of pictures.  We've got a comfortable margin on bandwidth.

Katdaddy's idea of changing CDs to Music is probably good, but not a pressing matter.  It's true that not everyone uses CDs, but since the gallery links to Amazon brings us money to fund the site, I'll leave the obvious bias in place for now.  And I think since nobody has tried putting up Windows XP CDs or whatever, it's not terribly difficult to understand.

It's true that we don't have a list of favorite posts.  We could probably add something like that.  Again, low priority at this point though.

Those are my excuses.  Good night!


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