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Post 60

Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 9:02amSanction this postReply
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Kat,

You might suggest to Jeff that he remove the grey background from blockquotes leaving just the left border. That looks alot better to me and might not annoy so many people.

Post 61

Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 9:47amSanction this postReply
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Duncan suggested: "What about an 'ignore poster' button, which gives the user a choice to ignore:
- posts by the poster
- threads and gallery items created by the poster."

Peter C: Now that would be very useful, especially with respect to certain idiot academic philosophers.

Peter,

But would you use it?

Michael


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Post 62

Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 11:18amSanction this postReply
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The "ignore poster" feature could indeed be very useful. I think Sam Erica was the first to propose it some months ago. Instead of seeing the post we'll only see this non-obstrusive text.


IGNORE THIS POST!!! I SAID IGNORE THIS!!! CAN'T YOU READ MAN??? DRINK PEPSI® - THE CHOICE OF THE NEW GENERATION! DOW JONES UP 5... NASDAQ DOWN 70... MICHAEL JACKSON IS FREE -- KID DID NOT FIT, SO JURY ACQUITS... VOLCANO ERUPTS IN NEW ZEALAND -- LAVA FLOWS TO TENNESSEE... BODY OF A CERTAIN KANTIAN PROFESSOR FLOATING ON LAKE -- SUSPECT IS AN ARCHITECT...



We could have paying sponsors... Isn't this brilliant!

Post 63

Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 12:29pmSanction this postReply
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ouch.

Post 64

Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 12:57pmSanction this postReply
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Sorry num++.

I ignored your post. :-)


Post 65

Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 1:20pmSanction this postReply
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Good one, num++.

Duncan suggested:
"What about an 'ignore poster' button, which gives the user a choice to ignore:
- posts by the poster
- threads and gallery items created by the poster."
But that would require an action on the part of the user.  How about just not clicking on a post or a gallery item?  That's the default; no action on your part is required.

Of course, that would mean that you would actually have to remember who it is that you are not reading!  Maybe a post-it with a "don't read list" on it stuck to your monitor would work.

This really is getting silly.  If you don't like a poster, don't read him/her.  Skip their posts on a thread.  If they say something of any significance, another poster will quote them so you won't miss anything important.


Post 66

Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 2:02pmSanction this postReply
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katdaddy:

Since this reply is just for you, I'll try to make you comfortable:

< Nathan, ahem..... I think you meant to say Kat--with a "K".  btw - thank you for avoiding those awful stripes on that last post. I was finally able to look at one of your posts. Being a designer, I am ultra-senstive to bad typography and postings resembling visual pizzas. Nothing against you personally. If you need to pick posts apart line by line, I think a better solution is to put the quotes in those angle brackets. It is less offensive to us visually sensitive types. >

As it turns out, I spent years in the visual arts and am one of those 'visually sensitive types' myself.

One thing I learned is that everyone has preferences and it's difficult to get everyone, or sometimes even a majority, to agree on anything. Design by committee usually is BAD design, even in the committee's eyes.

I respect your preferences; they are every bit as "valid" as mine.

But I don't have a problem with the grey boxes used for quotes, though if I were Jeff, I would cut the grey tone in about half. I'm sure he gets way too much advice on web layout, though, and probably has to ignore most of it to stay sane.

All other things being equal, I like the shaded quoting more than most alternatives. Ed Thompson's

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Quote here...
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style, for example, is a bit confusing to me at times. But it never occurred to me to suggest an alternative, as I assume it works well for him.

Everybody has their own style. MSK hates it when I chop up posts into grey-stripped segments, while I dislike paragraphs which go on for 150-200 words. As a writer, my style tends toward then short and punchy, both for fiction and nonfiction. Most philosophy writers are exactly the opposite.

My own attitude is just to relax and let everyone do their own thing. If it makes me difficult to read for some, or others difficult to read for me, so be it. Such is the price of diversity.

Nathan Hawking
 





Post 67

Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 2:10pmSanction this postReply
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Aaron:

I like greater than and less than signs too for denoting summary quotes. Unfortunately they get interpretted as HTML tags and I don't usually have the patience to do ampersand-lt-semicolon, etc. to escape the characters. Is this just another penalty for us gimpy Firefox users? Can IE users type greater-than/less-than signs willy-nilly?

Yes. The Javascript editor automatically converts the < and > to their respective ampersand strings. No way to get around it that I could discover, as a matter of fact.

I couldn't even use the IE to type in links for my articles.

So Jeff recommended Firefox, which I couldn't understand until I tried it and discovered that it invokes the crippled editor, i.e., if one types a "<" it is actually sent to the site as a "<" and not a "&lt;".

NH


Post 68

Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 2:46pmSanction this postReply
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Thanks for the artistic appreciation, Dr. Fletcher. And thanks for the lack of it from Mr. Cresswell. :-)

I find the current setup works just fine. When you look at the signal-to-troll ratio from other sites, SOLO doesn't do bad at all. The sites that don't attract trolls don't have much of interest to offer anyway. Bugs don't fly to sour fruits. But too many bugs, the fruit gets rotten.

The only thing needed really is to finesse the moderation procedure (like private warning before public reprimand before modding before outright ban). Demanding apologies from antisocial guests can get counterproductive - if the site is worth it to them, they'll apologize on their own (and the other members will get on their throat even before that). Plus, the added attention - which could be exacerbated by bureaucratic stuff - actually encourages the attention-deprived. There are already examples of this even before David E.



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Post 69

Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 3:26pmSanction this postReply
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Nathan,

Actually, it is not just that tacky, crappy, utterly tasteless, horrible, ghastly, abhorrent, repulsive, revolting, obnoxious and detestable visual.*

I don't mind that too much at all.

I can choke down one or two SMALL slice-of-post servings per new post.

What gets to me is when I am trying to engage my rational focus on an interesting problem or issue, but one that requires intense mental activity (deep thought), and I have to wade through 2000+ word posts that are candy-striped in gray and white and are nothing more than repeating a whole lot of long nonessential statements (with more candy-stripe boxed previous replies) and saying things in response like:

I see your point.
I don't agree, but I stated that in Post 2,850,438,765,947,832,532,849.
Oh, really?

You get the idea. I lose my focus, get a migraine and go brain-dead. I stopped reading those kinds of posts after I started waking up in the middle of the night in cold sweats.

However, I agree with you totally on 200+ word paragraphs (even smaller). In Brazil, I translated a lot of legal stuff. Some lawyers there like to use only one period per page or every two pages. They use what I call a hotdog style, interspersing bits of meat between endless tortured links of commas and semicolons, conjunctions and prepositions. I once asked one why they did that and he said that it was an attempt at keeping the different aspects of a single idea under one control.

(sign) You can only refine taste. You can't teach it.

I wonder what these guys perform like in bed...

Michael


* Edit - No offense meant to the site design guys. I am not talking about the background for quotes in itself (which is OK), just what it looks like after someone has gone hog-wild on using it in a single post.


(Edited by Michael Stuart Kelly on 6/16, 3:30pm)

(Edited by Michael Stuart Kelly on 6/16, 3:33pm)


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Post 70

Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 3:41pmSanction this postReply
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Dedicated to MSK, For explaining that joke to me :)

Nathan,

Michael,
Actually, it is not just that tacky, crappy, utterly tasteless, horrible, ghastly, abhorrent, repulsive, revolting, obnoxious and detestable visual.*

I agree.
I don't mind that too much at all.

Really?
I can choke down one or two SMALL slice-of-post servings per new post.

I see.
What gets to me is when I am trying to engage my rational focus on an interesting problem or issue, but one that requires intense mental activity (deep thought), and I have to wade through 2000+ word posts that are candy-striped in gray and white and are nothing more than repeating a of of long nonessential statements (with more candy-stripe boxed previous replies) and saying things in response like:

I see your point.
You get the idea. I lose my focus, get a migraine and go brain-dead. I stopped reading those kinds of posts after I started waking up in the middle of the night in cold sweats.

How unfortunate.
However, I agree with you totally on 200+ word paragraphs (even smaller). In Brazil, I translated a lot of legal stuff. Some lawyers there like to use only one period per page or every two pages. They use what I call a hotdog style, interspersing bits of meat between endless tortured links of commas and semicolons, conjunctions and prepositions. I once asked one why they did that and he said that it was an attempt at keeping the different aspects of a single idea under one control.

That's interesting.
(sign) You can only refine taste. You can't teach it.

How true.
I wonder what these guys perform like in bed...

So do I.
Michael

Sarah
* Edit - No offense meant to the site design guys. I am not talking about the background for quotes in itself (which is OK), just what it looks like after someone has gone hog-wild on using it in a single post.

No offense taken, I'm sure.
(Edited by Michael Stuart Kelly on 6/16, 3:30pm)

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Post 71

Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 3:46pmSanction this postReply
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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL...

Stop it Sarah! Please!!!

I can't stand the pain from laughing!!!!

Michael


Post 72

Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 3:52pmSanction this postReply
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num++,

Fortunately I can tell Mozilla not to display marquees.

I detest them.

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Post 73

Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 5:40pmSanction this postReply
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Sarah:

NH writes: I'm very

glad you

did that.

I considered it

but doubted Michael would think

it funny coming from me.

Now THAT is a beautiful post. I think I'm part zebra.

Nathan


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Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 5:47pmSanction this postReply
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LOLOLOL...

Aw, fuck it, Nathan.

That was fully as hell too...

Michael


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Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 5:48pmSanction this postReply
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Michael:
Actually, it is not just that tacky, crappy, utterly tasteless, horrible, ghastly, abhorrent, repulsive, revolting, obnoxious and detestable visual.* ...

You get the idea. I lose my focus, get a migraine and go brain-dead. I stopped reading those kinds of posts after I started waking up in the middle of the night in cold sweats.
I think I get the picture. I have the same reaction when people DON'T use the quote boxes.
However, I agree with you totally on 200+ word paragraphs (even smaller). In Brazil, I translated a lot of legal stuff. Some lawyers there like to use only one period per page or every two pages.
If we understood what lawyers wrote we wouldn't need lawyers.
I wonder what these guys perform like in bed...
I never, ever think about what other guys do in bed.

Or did you mean the quality of their sleep?

Nathan

 


 


Post 76

Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 8:03pmSanction this postReply
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Nathan, just in case you are not reading between the lines, Sarah has invited you to the kitchen.

Post 77

Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 8:09pmSanction this postReply
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I did?

Post 78

Sunday, June 19, 2005 - 1:22amSanction this postReply
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Phil:
By the way, has anyone noticed looking at the photos next to our posts #38 & #39, that Nathan Hawking looks exactly the way I would if I took copious amounts of drugs?

[see now that's not uncivil, it's just funny.]

Now, just what kind of drugs would transform you into a ruggedly handsome man-of-action?

Or grow a beard? LOL

Nathan


 


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Sunday, June 19, 2005 - 10:55pmSanction this postReply
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Joe, Sir,            Sarah called; and said I should come

From kindergarten that is. 

More truths are spoken in jest; but I am a retired teacher of junior kindergarten to first grade. This out-of-control behaviour is the result of never having learned otherwise, in kindergarten. Nathan had it right when he identified their lack even, of entry-level social skills.  It just makes me roar with laughter when I hear these guys, with brains to burn, wasting their human value on such tripe. Imagine the sight;  if we could see them in person , shouting at each other. Teeth flashing, eyes bulging, spittle flying everywhere. I'm laughing so hard, I can barely type. Excuse me;  really, they are to be pitied. They've had already enough bad news to their souls; sanctions won't help them; and that will place a burden on others.  Nathan had it right when he identified their lack of entry-level social skills.  But that's a symptom ONLY. The root of the problem lies elsewhere.   

OUR GURU, AYN RAND identified this problem; and states very well; that this kind of behaviour can be amelorated; by  rational women and men making a point of discovering the source of their emotions, the basic premises from which they come; and if the premise are incorrect (she says wrong), correcting them......SIMPLE.  She, of course said man; but I am a revisionist.

Joe,       May your guest humbly suggest that a new spot /thread be opened.   to accommodate this perceived need, not only for  brawlers, but for every one of us.  Why , you ask do I  make the bold claim? Well, the fact is;  that no one suggested it as the obvious solution; and I deduce from that; that it is a concept that is not well-enough explored or understood.         No one looked to Rand as the automatic response to finding a solution. Astonishing!  Just because people aren't brawling,  it's no certain indication that they possess greater understanding of the sources of their emotions.  They possess merely, a tighter lid on their pressure cookers; or worse,  they don't have the stomach to go there.

I believe these emotional issues to to be integral to Rand's epistemology; before we had cognition we had emotions. I don't know whether she knew that science, or perhaps she was afraid to go there herself, and the reason that she had such explosive relationships indicate that she knew the words; but was unable to walk the walk. She created the framework; now it's up to us to interpret it into action. As Adam, Mike and James have implied, we should be USING AYN RAND'S PASSION    for learning how to live our lives.  Thank you Sarah.  

And one more thing... Jennifer, if it hadn't been for you, acting in your own best interests and getting the hell out the shit house you found yourself; we would be arguing semantics and other superficial things instead of doing the work for which Nature created us ; leaving something great for those who come after us.  It's payback time for all those giants on whose shoulders we stand. Rand came to me in another dream last night. The dead know!

In the meantime boys and girls, put your creative juices towards suggesting a name for this new interest group.

Now if any of you are wondering where the hell somebody who's been here for less than two weeks gets off dictating to you; well, I don't know.maybe I was just fooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooling around.  sharon

(Edited by Sharon Romagnoli Macdonald on 6/20, 8:07am)


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