To those here that might post in anger (or irritation). There are many times when we react on an instinctual basis, or a with superficial reasoning (we are all guilty of that). I think that a topic like this does deserves some well-reasoned reflection from many perspectives. Oversimplification of a topic like this can be easy and should be avoided. I am going to give it some serious reflection today and post my opinion later, I would encourage others to do the same. I am not saying that I am superior in some way to others who post here, it is just my way of coming to decisions and it works well for me. Lets face it humans are a complicated fucked up set of contradictions and inconsistencies with no easy answers.
Hi Charles, I've studied Affirmative Action and it's implications and the results of it. It was a requirement as part of my studies in college. Although you may have not have studied the matter, and you will be posting your opinions soon, it's not like opponents of Affirmative Action like Bill, Ethan, Bridget, myself et al, have not thought about this policy. I believe we've all given it enough thought. It is simply racist. I came to this conclusion years ago, and I've periodically looked at the subject matter now for the last 10 years and have continued to give it more thought, and lo and behold, I've still come to the conclusion it is morally reprehensible, and empirically not viable. Bill's conclusions on the topic are the same as mine. Which are the same conclusions many individuals who respect individuality over group mentality have come to.
I would say Charles, that proponents of Affirmative Action, even after given reasoned arguments against it, even after the data, after reality that is, tells us it's a wrong headed policy, still latch onto the idea of race based discrimination, are the ones who are "fucked up" as you say.
So please don't take this the wrong way as I don't mean to alienate you from this forum, but speak for yourself, I'm not all humans, and I don't regard myself as "fucked up".