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On the Activism Forum, an elapsed thread entitled "Affirmative Action Bakesale," was recently revived, prompting the following remark:
Affirmative Action has been extremely valuable for Blacks, women and other so-called minorities.
Although such sentiments are rarely heard on RoR, they provide an opportunity to address an issue that has not received a lot of discussion. Has affirmative action been "extremely valuable for Blacks, women and other so-called minorities," as the poster claims? I don't think it has. One exception, which immediately springs to mind, is Chinese Americans. Quoting from a piece that I wrote back in 1998:

According to the San Francisco Chronicle, "The court-imposed desegregation agreement that governs San Francisco schools limits each ethnic group to no more than 40 percent of student enrollment...." However, at San Francisco's prestigious Lowell High, Chinese Americans comprised 42.9 percent of Lowell's 2,800 students, thereby violating court-ordered "desegregation". Even then, "[b]ecause so many Chinese American students qualify for enrollment at Lowell, dozens are turned away so that less-qualified students of other ethnicities may enroll."

This policy has not only unfairly excluded many Chinese students; it has also destroyed inter-racial friendships. Take the case of Karen who is white, and Jenny who is Chinese. Both girls were friends until Karen was admitted into Lowell in preference to Jenny who had better grades. "She found out I got into Lowell, and she really got mad," said Karen. "We were kind of close last year. Now I feel there's this, like, gap between us. I don't talk to her any more, and she doesn't call me."

Patrick, another Chinese student rejected from Lowell, was turned away from three other high schools as well, not because his grades were poor, but again because the other high schools also had "too many" Chinese Americans. "We've worked so hard to get good grades, and now we can't go to a decent academic high school that is safe and will prepare us for a four-year university," his mother said. "Patrick told me, 'If only I weren't Chinese I could get in.' It broke my heart."

As Ayn Rand observes: "If a young man is barred from a school . . . because the quota for his particular race has been filled, he is barred by reason of his race. Telling him that those admitted are his 'representatives,' is adding insult to injury. To demand such quotas in the name of fighting racial discrimination, is an obscene mockery. . . . The quota doctrine assumes that all members of a given physiological group are identical and interchangeable -- not merely in the eyes of other people, but in their own eyes and minds. Assuming a total merging of the self with the group, the doctrine holds that it makes no difference to a man whether he or his 'representative' is admitted to a school. . . .

It did make a difference, however, to parents representing more than 5,500 Chinese American students who have been denied admission to the schools of their choice because of race. The parents sued San Francisco schools in a class-action lawsuit in federal court, claiming that what passes for "desegregation" actually amounts to "state-sponsored segregation". Indeed, according to Title IV, Section 401 (b) of the 1964 Civil Rights Act:
"Desegregation" means the assignment of students to public schools and within such schools without regard to their race, color, religion, or national origin, but "desegregation" shall not mean the assignment of students to public schools in order to overcome racial imbalance. [Emphasis added]
Far from promoting desegregation, the school quotas at Lowell High discriminate against Chinese students by requiring them to score higher on admissions tests than students of other ethnic groups. Although the test requirements have recently been adjusted downward in response to pressure from Chinese parents, the requirements are still discriminatory. Whereas blacks and Latinos need score only 53 points to gain admission to Lowell High, and whites, only 58; Chinese students must score 62 out of a possible 69. The parents claimed in their suit that such racial discrimination violates their rights to equal protection under the 14th Amendment. This case is all too reminiscent of Brown Versus Board of Education in which racial discrimination was also contested under the 14th Amendment. The difference is that the victims in Topeka, Kansas in 1954 were African Americans, whereas the victims in San Francisco, California in 1997 are Chinese Americans.

Unfortunately, the judge who heard the parents' case, U.S. District Court Judge William Orrick, is the same judge who signed the original consent decree in 1983 requiring race-based admissions. So it is not surprising that he would reject the parents' petition, and reaffirm his original ruling. A judge who is not color blind cannot be expected to wear the blindfold of justice.

Amy Chang of the Asian American Legal Foundation responded to Judge Orrick's decision as follows: "The San Francisco school district, the state, and the NAACP have put themselves in the same position as George Wallace in the early 1960s -- they are saying quotas then, quotas now, and quotas forever. The Chinese American community is fighting for the right of all children to attend school free of racial discrimination. We see Judge Orrick's action yesterday as the continuation of the same forms of discrimination suffered by Chinese and other Asian immigrants a hundred years ago."

Since we have now come full circle from our racist past, let us recall the words of Justice John Harlan, which are as telling today against the new racism as they were in 1904 against the old-fashioned kind. In dissenting from a Supreme Court decision, Harlan asks: "Have we become so inoculated with the prejudice of race that an American government, professedly based on the principles of freedom, and charged with the protection of all citizens alike, can make distinctions between such citizens in the matter of their voluntary meeting for innocent purposes simply because of their respective
races?"

If it can -- if the government can mandate racial quotas in schools -- then what is to stop it from mandating housing quotas in neighborhoods? If parents can be forced to bus their children to other parts of the city for the sake of racial balance, then what argument can there be against the forced resettlement of families to different neighborhoods to achieve the same ethnocratic goal? What claim can there be against the state dictating every aspect of its citizens' lives -- sacrificing every freedom they ever had -- in homage to affirmative action and ethnic diversity?! Indeed, the ominous practice of "affirmative marketing" -- whereby realtors have been forced to market properties exclusively to whites in black neighborhoods -- is making this scenario a virtual reality. In 1988 when realtors in Chicago refused to market properties in a black neighborhood exclusively to whites, they were sued by the South Suburban Housing Center and lost. Under the so-called Fair Housing Act -- the modern-day equivalent of the Jim Crow laws -- realtors can be prosecuted for refusing to discriminate against blacks.

And, lest it be thought that affirmative action is beneficial to blacks in other respects, the policy carries with it the unfortunate stigma that its beneficiaries are unqualified window dressing. Shelby Steele elaborates: "In any workplace, racial preferences will always create two-tiered populations composed of preferreds and unpreferreds. This division makes automatic a perception of enhanced competence for the unpreferreds and of questionable competence for the preferreds -- the former earned his way, even though others were given preference, while the latter made it by color as much as by competence. Racial preferences implicitly mark whites with an exaggerated superiority just as they mark blacks with an exaggerated inferiority. They not only reinforce America's oldest racial myth but, for blacks, they have the effect of stigmatizing the already stigmatized." (The Content of Our Character, St. Martin's Press, New York, p. 121.

In other words, to impose affirmative action on private employers not only discriminates against whites and Asians, but also patronizes blacks, because it suggests that a black person can only succeed if he is given a job he does not deserve and could not have earned in competition with other qualified applicants. Employment that is openly racist tarnishes the reputation of its beneficiaries, for even if they were the best qualified and would have been hired anyway, their success is less a reflection of their qualifications than of their pigmentation.

Consider the quota system imposed upon the Detroit Symphony Orchestra in 1989. In a city 70 percent black, Detroit's symphony orchestra was overwhelmingly white. Therefore, black legislators threatened to withhold $1.3 million in state funding and to picket concerts unless more black musicians were hired by the orchestra. It was not that the underrepresentation of black musicians was due to any form of racial bias, as auditions had for years been held "blind", meaning that musicians would audition behind a screen to eliminate any possibility of prejudice. Nevertheless, the orchestra was pressured by black legislators into abandoning this race-neutral policy in favor of one in which black musicians would be hired strictly on the basis of race without any audition whatsoever.

Ironically, it was not the white musicians who were most outraged by this policy of reverse racism, but black musicians who had been hired by orchestras across the country purely on the basis of talent. In fact, two black musicians have since refused to play for the Detroit Symphony, because they recognized that their reputations would be tainted by its affirmative action policy. The black conductor of the Oregon Symphony also refused to work for the Detroit Symphony, stating: "[Y]ou fight for years to make race irrelevant, and now they are making race an issue".

Terry Eastland reports on a Hispanic student who scored high enough to be admitted to the University of Texas School of Law under the normal standards set for white applicants. However, because the school allowed minorities to be admitted with lower scores, the student said that he felt he needed a shirt indicating that he made it on his own, so people would know that his achievement was genuine.

A black medical student of my acquaintance expressed similar sentiments. This young man, who was a straight-A student, could have gained admission into U.C. San Francisco's School of Medicine in the absence of affirmative action. Yet, because of the school's preferential admissions policy, he knew that people would think that his admission was due to racial preference, and would not respect him for having earned his way into medical school. Needless to say, affirmative action was, for him, a liability rather than an asset.

In his book Reflections of an Affirmative Action Baby, Stephen Carter, a black professor at Yale Law School, says that he is forced to live in a box with a label that reads: "WARNING! AFFIRMATIVE ACTION BABY! DO NOT ASSUME THAT THIS INDIVIDUAL IS QUALIFIED!"

But even if there were no stigma attached to affirmative action, the policy would still be against the interests of its alleged beneficiaries, because it prohibits the best workers from being hired, a policy which translates into reduced productivity in the workplace and a lower standard of living. The injustice of racial discrimination has economic spillover effects that are harmful even to those who supposedly benefit from it.

As if that weren't bad enough, the policy is a blatant exercise in hypocrisy, as it violates Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, in which Section 703 (a) states:
"It shall be an unlawful employment practice for any employer: (1) to fail or refuse to hire or to discharge any individual, or otherwise to discriminate against any individual with respect to his compensation, terms, conditions, or privileges of employment, because of such individual's race, color, religion, sex or national origin . . . ."
Finally, affirmative action violates individual rights, the right of an employer to hire the best person for the job regardless of the applicant's race, ethnicity or gender, as well as the right of the applicant to work for him.

Human beings are not mere pawns of governmental social policy, but are autonomous moral agents who have the right to determine their own lives and actions. The much vaunted right of self-determination so frequently invoked on behalf of sovereign states does not in fact reside in the will of the majority or in the mandates of civil authority, but rather in the choices of each individual human being. It is the proper function of government to protect that right, not usurp it in pursuit of its own social agendas. Just as we have become racists in our quest to redress racism, so our support for "civil rights" has led us to betray the most important civil right of all: self-ownership and its corollary, freedom of choice.

- Bill


(Edited by William Dwyer
on 7/10, 4:49pm)


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Monday, July 10, 2006 - 7:23pmSanction this postReply
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I wonder which race is the one which causes all the problems, and is always far and away the most racist and universally bigoted, even tho' no-one cares to identify them? I wonder which race is the one which, at least occasionally, stands up for principle and somewhat favors treating all people the same? I wonder which race is almost entirely amoral and unprincipled, and just goes along to get along in the race wars? I wonder which same race practices intense appeasement and only whines when its their ox that's getting gored? I wonder if anyone can supply me with a definition for "poetic justice"? 

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Monday, July 10, 2006 - 7:33pmSanction this postReply
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Well, since there's only one race - the human race - is an easy answer.....

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Monday, July 10, 2006 - 9:45pmSanction this postReply
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Geez, and I almost felt bad calling you "Grand Dragon Zantonavitch"; now here you are again, asserting that one race is inferior to another, and no doubt dredging up your tired bromides about how Rand didn't take your "nature/nurture" (read: whites are better than blacks) line of thought seriously. The fact that you're so willfully disdainful of people based on anecdotes and the color of their skin is sick.

You don't belong here.

Robert Malcolm; big thanks for making our own little David Duke here look like a fool.

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Monday, July 10, 2006 - 10:50pmSanction this postReply
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Isn’t he putting down whites? It’s reverse-irony, or something, isn’t it?

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Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 6:20amSanction this postReply
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I really liked Robert's answer and sanctioned it.

As for Andre, if he does hold explicitly racist leanings, he needs to say so rather than hide behind leading questions.  If not, he needs to clear the air and tell us what he means by those questions.  I personally find racism immoral and disgusting and consider it grounds for moderation or banning.

For a more sane treatment on the correlation rather than causation of the statistics to which Andre may refer, see Race and Culture by Thomas Sowell.  In that book, Sowell shows that the cultures that came with immigrants from Africa, China, etc. influence the values those immigrants adopted in America.  Those values, in turn, worked to the benefit or detriment of their adherents.  The skin color, etc. were incidental.  The chosen values were what mattered.


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I get angry whenever I have to fill out information to our clients about the racial mix of our company.  This is mandated by various government regulations.  They specifically request to know the race of our employees on some - and on others they speak about "preferential groups" - you could go in and substitute "Aryan" for whatever race they have there and it would exactly match the laws the Nazis passed.

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Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 8:13amSanction this postReply
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It never made any sense to me to treat different races differently when the ultimate goal is equal treatment.

Bob


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Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 9:31amSanction this postReply
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I don’t know Andre and he can speak for himself, but I read his post differently. I think he means: Stupid whites.

They elect politicians who pass affirmative action (this blame can’t be placed on minorities as it’s the majority who elects.) Thus, whites “cause all the problems.”

They only “occasionally, stand up for principle and somewhat favor treating all people the same,” but the rest of the time they “practice intense appeasement” and are “entirely amoral and unprincipled, and just go along to get along in the race wars.”

Then, when their child doesn’t get into Princeton because places are filled with affirmative action applicants, they jump up and whine, suddenly grasping the principles involved. And he has no sympathy.

It will be interesting to see how he explains himself, but that’s how I read it.


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Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 1:45pmSanction this postReply
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Ours is an irrational illiberal Dark Age culture which basically hates the West, Anglo-Saxons, America, whites, and males precisely because they're good and great. Or at least notably superior to the group alternative - Andre, from Machan's "Feminist Fog" thread and wait:

Rand made a brief, bland, abstract, obscure statement on this seminal and controversial issue in which she argued bigotry was a species of collectivism. At best this craven, disingenuous, misleading argument "evades" the issue.   Anybody who calls the argument that bigotry is collectivism (and calls Rand herself) craven and misleading is a liar and wrong...just one more:

Back in Rand's time, the moral and spiritual quality of Martin Luther King and Jesse Jackson were never in question. Far less so today's black leaders. The only serious issue here is: Does anybody around care to really search and inquire, sincerely and earnestly? Does anybody anywhere actually want to know the truth? I report, you hopefully decide that this racism deserves banning!


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Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 7:45pmSanction this postReply
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Luke Setzer:  I personally find racism immoral and disgusting and consider it grounds for moderation or banning.
Steve Druckenmiller: I report, you hopefully decide that this racism deserves banning!
Well, if that is the case, then we should actually begin the banning with issues in Metaphysics and Epistemology, before we get into Ethics and Politics.  Some here have been tolerant of self-confessed "Christians" and "Theists."  Others here actually engage a poster who advocates existentialism, claiming that some Objectivists (such as Ayn Rand) "mischaracterize" what Sarte "really" said.  Personally, I can claim to be a "real" Objectivist -- and I do clam that -- but my advocacy of anarchy would belie that claim in the minds of some others. 

Personally, I think that SOLO was a vibrant and stimulating website. I was proud to be associated with SOLO.  Then  the bannings, and sanctionings led to the demise of the board.  That demise began with a "brain drain" as interesting and enlightening thinkers bailed out of a social context that reflected a nascent police state mentality which was not worth their time and effort to confront.

I have been challenged to "explain" myself in response to some post or other.  I refuse.   If what I wrote the first time was unclear, misstating it the second will not help.  More to the point, demands like that are invariably traps.  If someone is honestly intellectually curious, they will ask a cogent -- even withering -- question that merits an answer.  Anything else sounds like an interrogation ... or inquisition ...


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I think that what you are forgetting, Mr. Marotta, is that people can say they are empathetic to Christians and Theists and tolerant of them without saying that their beliefs belong within our philosophical code. I, too, am entirely tolerant of the religious, most of my friends are and, although I have forced them to stop making reasoned arguments for god and just admit it's faith, faith they continue to have.

You anarchism, while I think is entirely misguided, is not only a fun foil for some of us (that is, you sometimes do very well against us miniarchists) but you also quote Rand well and accept the metaphysics, epistemology, ethics and almost all of the politics. No question there. You are an individualist, who judges people on their actions.

Grand Dragon up there, however, deserves to be banned because he's explicitly stated that whites are superior to "others" and called Rand "cowardly", among other vicious invectives that don't apply and are not accurate. His racism, and therefore his collectivism, and therefore his irrationalism and denial of reality and of reason, have been made apparent. We choose with whom we associate, and I would rather not have Objectivism tainted by this collectivist prick.

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What a ridiculously flawed argument against Affirmative Action.

If not for Affirmative Action, their (Chinese-Americans) percentages would be lower to not at all.

As far as Affirmative Action allowing unqualified so-called minorities to "fill slots", pulease.
I wonder who started that myth.

The "token" Blacks and minorities will generally know twice as much as their predecessors (sp)

I know.  I've been the only Black in many departments in various types of organizations.

As far as somebody mentioning somebody's white child not getting into Princeton because of Affirmative Action, what a convenient excuse for a kid who couldn't cut it.

I attended Graduate School at Harvard University with a shamefully small percentage of Blacks and other so-called minorities, all of whom, like me, graduated at the top of their undergraduate studies class.

But who's suprised, really, at middle-aged white men against Affirmative Action.


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Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 6:37amSanction this postReply
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Affirmative Action is a racist policy. It is based on race. It creates special categories based on race. It is racist through and through. period.


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That's right Donna, we're a bunch of middle-aged white men, except for me (I'm 22), and, oh, I don't know, Ayn Rand was an immigrant Russian Jew.  But other than that, you're dead on.

Go away, Donna, you're a racist as well as an idiot to boot. The fact that you derogatorily called us "middle-aged white men" is enough to have you banned, in my book.


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Donna,
Do you deny that admissions standards to some universities are lowered for minorities (read: blacks, hispanics, etc.)?  If you do, then you are wrong.  Period.  I know (that is, I am certain) that it happens.  I've seen it in more than one university.  If you don't deny that it happens, then you must conclude that, since there is a limit to how many people can be accepted to a competitive program, some better qualified people are being rejected to allow some who are less qualified to be accepted.  It isn't a myth; it really happens.

Glenn,
Just a middle-aged white guy who thinks racism is wrong.

(Edited by Glenn Fletcher on 7/12, 7:27am)


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Dallah hits some interesting targets.
As far as Affirmative Action allowing unqualified so-called minorities to "fill slots", pulease.
I wonder who started that myth.
  • In my criminal justice classes we learned that the HR director of the Flint police department purposely chose the least qualified minority candidates.  The same HR director told white applicants that they were denied specifically to make room for less qualified minority candidates.  (Those are two separate charges of sabotage.)  So, that is one cause of "myths" like this: they are truths.
  • That said, we also were reminded that if the acceptable score on a test is, say, 83%, then any candidate who scores 83 or higher is qualified because one test score does not determine who gets hired. 
  • In police work especially, but in any situation, there is a collection of attributes that determines who gets hired: previous employment history, education, general demeanor.  One person scores 95%, but is sloppy in appearance and crude in language and has a low credit score and is not liked by their neighbors.  Another makes the 83% grade, but is bright-eyed and bushy tailed, has good credit, and is recommended by their landlord and neighbors.  The "lower" score gets hired -- and that becomes the issue.  (The symphony orchestra assumes that in passing the blind test, you will actually show up for rehearsals and performances.  If it were known in advance that you had a reputation for not making those basic benchmarks, playing well will not be good enough.)
  • In terms of SAT (or GCAT, GMAT, ...) scores and college admissions, those are not necessarily of primary importance.  Grades and scores are balanced with other achievements and activities. Awards, publications, community involvement, starting a business, and other hallmarks of character also define who gets into college (grad school, etc.) and who does not.  (Projects sponsored by Habitat for Humanity have been sued for "racial discrimination" by persons judged to lack character.  How do you measure "character"?)
The true, blind test of a symphony orchestra is not always available in every circumstance. Having a name and an address will identify you as a member of a group.  Liberals and others with govern-mentality think that our wise leaders in Washington decided that we needed Civil Rights and Affirmative Action to end discrimination.  However, when I look at American history, I see an upward trend in which it became increasingly obvious to more and more people that discrimination was wrong.  When enough people believed that, things changed -- and as a consequence, the laws changed.

Ten years before Brown v. Board, the Portland, Oregon, city club held a conference on race.  "Negro population in the Portland area has increased from approximately 1,900 to about 18,000 since 1941. This large growth makes possible the development of an acute problem unless a policy of fair and equitable treatment is put into effect promptly and continued after production for war is stopped."
http://www.ccrh.org/comm/slough/primary/1945rpt.htm  (my emphasis)  America was changing.

Perhaps the best case in point is that of John Kennedy.  According to Theodore Sorenson, before he was president, Kennedy was not an advocate of civil rights.  Even as president, civil rights was not an issue that Kennedy even perceived... until the marches.  Then, President Kennedy's first response was wonder aloud why these people -- the marchers, the sheriffs -- just could not sit down and talk out their differences.  He did not understand the resort to violence by either and both sides.  Finally, when Kennedy acted, he did so within the framework of existing law: the interstate commerce clause gave the federal government control over the bus stations.  So, they were integrated. 

The case of interstate commerce is compelling on several grounds.  "Separate but equal" began with Plessy versus Ferguson.  The best citation is here: http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=163&invol=537  Read Justice John Marshall Harlan's dissent.  Harlan was called "the great dissenter" because of insights like these:
There is a race so different from our own that we do not permit those belonging to it to become citizens of the United States. Persons belonging to it are, with few exceptions, absolutely excluded from our country. I allude to the Chinese race. But, by the statute in question, a Chinaman can ride in the same passenger coach with white citizens of the United States, while citizens of the black race in Louisiana, many of whom, perhaps, risked their lives for the preservation of the Union, who are entitled, by law, to participate in the political control of the state and nation, who are not excluded, by law or by reason of their race, from public stations of any kind, and who have all the legal rights that belong to white citizens, are yet declared to be criminals, liable to imprisonment, if they ride in a public coach occupied by citizens of the white race.
Consider, again, the claims of the Chinese-Americans in the Zero Post by Bill Dwyer.  As Dallah points out, but for the change against discrimination, those Chinese Americans would have nothing to complain about because they would not be in (white) schools now.  So different from us that we do not permit them to beccome citizens.  

By any reasonable standard Plessy was white.
That petitioner was a citizen of the United States and a resident of the state of Louisiana, of mixed descent, in the proportion of seven-eighths Caucasian and one-eighth African blood; that the mixture of colored blood was not discernible in him, and that he was entitled to every recognition, right, privilege, and immunity secured to the citizens of the United States of the white race by its constitution and laws ...
Plessy was put up to the challenge by the railroads.  They were sick and tired of the useless expense of separating their (valuable) customers into different cars when they crossed the (arbitrary) lines from one state to another.  The capitalists of the railroads had no reason to discriminate.  So, they arranged for this challenge.  They lost.  Affirmative Action (so-called) is the rational way to do business.   

Affirmative Action is a standard that we set for ourselves because we know that we tend to identify with people who are "most like" ourselves.  Do you look like me?  Do you dress like me?  Do you talk like me?  Did you go to my school?  Was your school in my school's sports league?  And what does any of this have to do with your ability?  We set a higher standard for ourselves when we want to achieve more. 


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Steve -

I strongly disagree with most of Donna's tenets, but she's not an "idiot."  She's expressing exactly what she's been taught to accept as true. 

I, too, am entirely tolerant of the religious, most of my friends are and, although I have forced them to stop making reasoned arguments for god and just admit it's faith, faith they continue to have.
Show a little of that here.



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TSI: She's expressing exactly what she's been taught to accept as true. 
No, she is explaining what she knows to be true, based on the evidence of her senses and the values of her rational judgement. 

You can disagree, but don't patronize her.


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Affirmative action is racist through and through, from its premises on up. This is so obviously true, that I think simply repeating and stressing the fact, with no elaboration or apology, will hasten its demise.

Those who want to argue against it have my blessing. More power to you. That also helps.

Goodbye.


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