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Post 20

Friday, August 25, 2006 - 7:34pmSanction this postReply
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Robert Campbell wrote:

I personally would not use the word "cult" in reference to any currently existing Objectivist groups. Nor would I apply it to Rand's Inner Circle back in the 1950s and 1960s. The word is seriously imprecise, and its application to Randian organizations lumps them in with much nastier and more devious groups, such as the Church of Scientology.

I agree completely.  As I said earlier, Shermer's piece amounts to a hatchet job despite Chris Baker's objections to the contrary.




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Friday, August 25, 2006 - 9:08pmSanction this postReply
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For those of you who get The New Individualist, you'll see in my article on skeptics and humanists that Shermer is looking more deeply at the nature of morality and is bringing more libertarians to speak at his events. (For those who don't get TNI, we'll post the piece soon on our website.) By the way, Shermer's also getting more interested in economics though he hasn't published much on this yet.

While I think he pushes the argument too far in Weird Thing -- as I've said, I don't consider Objectivism a cult although some Objectivists act in cult-like ways -- he has had other reasons for concern about certain Objectivists. The piece below is a post he made on one of his websites in the late '90s, when we were still the Institute for Objectivist Studies and Peikoff had a radio show.
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by Michael Shermer

On another note, the Sept. 4 issue of Nature has a full-page review of WHY PEOPLE BELIEVE WEIRD THINGS (unusually long for them). It is neither negative nor positive. It is, well, weird. That's all I can say, it's weird. He can't understand, for example, why I think it is strange that Ayn Rand's Objectivism movement became a cult, when I spent three full pages explaining PRECISELY why I think it is weird. Hear is yet another reason:

 I've been banned by the Randoids. Just before departing on a holiday to Lake Powell last month, the producer of a radio show hosted by Leonard Peikoff (Rand's hand-picked intellectual heir, defender of the faith, and keeper of the truth), called to book me on the show. I figured they were not too happy with my chapter on Rand and were setting me up to be trounced by Peikoff, who is a brilliant guy and can cite Rand chapter and verse. I figured I would be eaten alive, but that I would buck up and take it like a man since I said what I said.

When I returned from my vacation I discovered that my appearance had been cancelled. Why? Turns out that they had only HEARD about the book but had not read my chapter on Rand. When they read it they immediately cancelled me. The reason given was that they did not want to promote a book that "contains libelous statements about Ms. Rand." They would be happy to debate me on the metaphysics of absolute morality (they believe there is such a thing and that they and only they have the absolute moral answers), but there is no way they want to give any recognition to a book that is critical of Rand as a person or philosopher (this despite the fact that I spend an entire paragraph explaining that one must separate the philosophy from the philosopher and that I agree with much that is in objectivist philosophy). 

The irony of this is that THE MAJOR POINT of that chapter is that one of the signs of a cult is the inability or unwillingness to consider criticisms of the leader or the leader's beliefs. So they played beautifully into my hands by doing the very thing I said they would do if they were a cult! 

When I spoke to the producer upon my return I told him that I actually have a photograph of Rand on my wall, next to other photographs including Martin Gardner, Penn and Teller, Randi, Steve Gould, Richard Dawkins, Isaac Asimov, Frank Sulloway, G. Gordon Liddy, Houdini, my wife, a galapagoes turtle (just so I cannot be accused of being speciesocentric), and the Hubble Deep Field photograph of galaxies (just so I cannot be accused of being MilkyWayocentric). Well, upon hearing this he said he would reconsider booking me. Now THAT'S intellectual integrity!

(There is, by the way, a very reasonable group of folks called THE INSTITUTE FOR OBJECTIVIST STUDIES, headed by David Kelly, who are very open to criticism of Rand and do not hold her in worshipful esteem as "the greatest human being who ever lived" as do the other folks.)

I also pressed the producer to please tell me what is libelous in my book, because in a later edition I would certainly want to correct any mistakes. After going round and round in generalities about how "practically everything in the chapter" was wrong, he couldn't cite a single example and said he would have to reread (more like read for the first time) the chapter. I'm not holding my breath.






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Saturday, August 26, 2006 - 12:35amSanction this postReply
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Bob Campbell wrote,
I do think, however, that those in the Ayn Rand Institute orbit (and sometimes elsehwere) who preach "the moral perfection of Ayn Rand" have crossed the line from philosophy into religion. Those who preach the inerrancy of Rand's philosophical teachings (after separating them from her sexual psychology, or her approval of smoking, or her aesthetic assessment of Mozart's music) have also crossed the line, in my opinion.
Why do you say that? Suppose one agrees with Rand's philosophy not as a true believer but as an honest, independent thinker. How has one "crossed the line"?

- Bill



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Saturday, August 26, 2006 - 6:43amSanction this postReply
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This was initially written as a comparison of Richard Bandler (co-creator of NLP) and Ayn Rand. Here are some signs that you are dealing with a cultish guru:

1. The guru claims that he or she knows all, and you don't need to learn from anyone else. Bandler tries to cut his former partner out of the picture. Their books are long out-of-print.

2. The guru claims that almost everything that he or she preaches is original. This could be deception. It could also simply be a product of the guru's megalomania. In Rand's case, I think she actually didn't know that other people had said thing similar to hers.  Bandler actually sued his ex-partner John Grinder over "stealing" his ideas.

3. The guru disparages other approaches to success. The guru dismisses people if they are right, but are "right for the wrong reasons." Rand despised other approaches to free markets, for example.

4. The guru doesn't tolerate any mention of the competition, but often complains about it and berates it. This applies mainly to Internet forums.

5. The guru has an obsession with a devil. Ayn Rand's was Immanuel Kant.

6. The guru encourages name-changing and may even do so himself. Several of Rand's followers changed their names, including Nathaniel Branden. One local NLP nut in Austin did the same.

7. The guru chastises people publicly and is often obsessed with punishment.

8. The guru encourages people to end relationships with long-time friends.

9. The guru has a few sycophants who live off his success. Rand had Nathaniel Branden.

10. The guru alienates former allies. Rand alienated almost everyone including Branden (her former sex partner). Richard Bandler (co-creator of NLP) is probably going to alienate everybody before he dies.

11. The guru labels things. Rand loved to use the word _evil_.

12. The guru takes pride in throwing out people for "bad behavior." Rand's publications would actually cancel subscriptions and send refunds.

13. The guru is addicted to drugs. Bandler's history with drugs is well-known. Rand's worst drug seems to have been cigarettes. However, in the 1950's, it was apparently considered a "moral obligation" for an Objectivist to smoke.

14. The guru engages in some type of sexual perversion. In Rand's case, it was just an affair with Nathaniel Branden when both were married. Branden then started another affair before finally divorcing his wife Barbara. This is quite tame compared to Bandler's exploits.

15. The guru is obsessed with intellectual property. In the 1970's, Rand met a guy who had a studio named Fountainhead Productions as a tribute to Rand. Her response to him was: "That is plagiarism." Bandler's lawsuit is well-known in the NLP community, of course.




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Saturday, August 26, 2006 - 6:55pmSanction this postReply
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Bill,

The key issue is not agreement with Rand's philosophy as such, but belief in its inerrancy.

The Ayn Rand Institute considers any disagreement with any of Rand's philosophical propositions a departure from Objectivism, necessitating its rejection in toto. (ARI does acknowledge that persons now living can contribute to something called "Objectivist philosophy," but apparently such contributions can only be additions to Objectivism in the strict sense, or extensions of it. No one who rejects any of Rand's philosophical propositions can be credited with engaging in "Objectivist philosophy.")

A belief in inerrancy is maladaptive, because it presupposes that we can attain context-free certainty about every last detail of Rand's philosophy. No future knowledge could ever call any of it into question.

Rand incorporated a great many psychological claims into her philosophy. For instance, she believed that newborn babies experience pure sensations and have no innate value structures. She apparently believed that there is no such thing as a perceptual error, only an incorrect perceptual judgment (which requires concepts). All of these psychological claims appear to be false. Yet, according to Rand's conception of philosophy, and how it relates to the special sciences, psychological evidence or argument cannot be brought to bear on such claims!

Robert Campbell











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Saturday, August 26, 2006 - 7:28pmSanction this postReply
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Dustin: I've never met someone below the poverty line calling themselves Objectivist, though.

Me: I'm officially poor. The most I've made in a single year is seven grand. :-P

But, that's just cause I like getting the grants the Fed takes out of my parent's hide as a way to recoup the losses they made through taxiation. [Myself included, considering every year I've 'owed' the state government taxes since my first job.]

-- Bridget



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Saturday, August 26, 2006 - 9:01pmSanction this postReply
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Me: I'm officially poor. The most I've made in a single year is seven grand. :-P
Me too!  Well, not as bad as several years ago, but I'm still "poor" by most American standards. But not in the head! Just in the bank kinda poor.

I still manage to enjoy my life most of the time. :)

I don't think Dustin knows many Objectivists, honestly.





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Sunday, August 27, 2006 - 1:35amSanction this postReply
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1. The guru claims that he or she knows all, and you don't need to learn from anyone else. Bandler tries to cut his former partner out of the picture. Their books are long out-of-print.

Ayn Rand was hardly one to profess omniscience - and if I reminisce accurately, omniscience-oriented philosophy does not bode well with Objectivism. Ayn Rand, was, however a woman of certainty, confidence, conviction, and objectivism indeed promotes contextual, logical certainty.
In a pluralistic society where irrational mentalities exist, it is natural that such justified certainty will receive unjustified disrespect - even to the point where it is judged "cultish". This is extremely unfair, in my opinion. 

In Rand's case, I think she actually didn't know that other people had said thing similar to hers. 

I distinctly recall an instance where she was cited as stating "Objectivism is simply Aristotelianism without Platonism". This clearly indicates she was aware of the fact that Objectivism is fundamentally not an original or radical philosophy. Indeed, she was aware that Objectivism is only original insofar as it is the first system of all these Aristotelian concepts composed into a philosophy for man on Earth.
Rand despised other approaches to free markets, for example.
I am aware of no such protests - but I haven't covered the entire scope of Objectivist literature as of yet, and you may have profound knowledge that I do not. I'm curious, though: Have you concluded if her objections to such different approaches were supported with reasons, or if they were in fact, utterly unjustified?
The guru doesn't tolerate any mention of the competition, but often complains about it and berates it.
Disfavoring "competition" as the theme of conversation and verbal animosity of the "enemy", is not common behavior - but rather, unique to individuals categorized as "gurus"?

The guru has an obsession with a devil. Ayn Rand's was Immanuel Kant.
I reasonably infer that you've gathered this conclusion based on Ayn Rand's writings, since I widely suspect that you did not know Ayn Rand personally. But to substitute a person's writings as clear, personal knowledge of themselves, is an extremely insufficient method - not to mention, very unfair to the human being. In truth, Ayn Rand had a knack for a captivating style of writing, with a very intense, passionate charm. In addition, she further had a remarkable perspicacity, with a very penetrative perception. Such a leading lady who recognizes any downfall of humanity, will naturally have thought processes that are consistent with the aforementioned characteristics of her identity. But I cannot utter whether she was suffering from neurosis [i.e., obsessed], or whether she was expressing herself rather passionately so as to be a good writer - after all, what is a good writer if he/she cannot captivate, charm and attract the audience? 

Moreover, I'd like to clearly mention first and foremost, that there is nothing wrong with reaching the cognitive insight regarding aforementioned perils of humanity  - as Ayn Rand herself did - and, furthermore there is undoubtedly nil wrong with an animosity towards something or someone detrimental to one's life.
 The guru encourages name-changing and may even do so himself. Several of Rand's followers changed their names, including Nathaniel Branden. One local NLP nut in Austin did the same.
I am aware Ayn Rand had her name changed - likely for similar reasons as many immigrants do - but she herself also mentioned a cause behind such an impetus that is exceptionally common amongst a fine field of people: Writers. She mentioned her name change was for the same reason many writers change their names. Both Ayn Rand and Nathaniel Branden were writers. It is often times preferable that a burgeoning writer changes their name or abbreviates their name in some way, so as to create a more aesthetically appealing moniker. This kind of appeal is often described as "catchy", or having a "ring" to it.

The guru chastises people publicly and is often obsessed with punishment.
This is exceptionally characteristic of one with a strong moral compass, and likewise, strong convictions regarding sociopolitical matters. Such a distinctive character, however, is certainly not limited to public denouncements or disapproval. Indeed, such a human being of moral certitude may even publicly praise, glorify and exalt. It is important to note that, as evidenced in worldwide media and general patterns of news-distribution, "alarming" news receive more rapt attention than "pleasant" news - weather-reports aside. On the other hand, one may debate that the current condition of human existence is such that any person of a strong moral compass, rooted in a rational, moral philosophy will naturally act as you've described. 

The guru has a few sycophants who live off his success. Rand had Nathaniel Branden.
By that standard, gurus are all over the place. Bill Gates is a guru. My grandfather is a guru. I'm a guru to my dog. Various housewives across America are obviously wedded to..gurus. Once more, it seems that you are highlighting a very common characteristic of human behavior, and then asserting that to be particular to a classification of folks known as "gurus". 

The guru alienates former allies. Rand alienated almost everyone including Branden (her former sex partner). Richard Bandler (co-creator of NLP) is probably going to alienate everybody before he dies.
Over the scope of an average lifetime, it is normally expected that as one changes and transforms in their personality, behavior and philosophies, one will consequentially change their social and political affiliations. Did Ayn Rand truly alienate almost everyone? And if she did, was it justified by the moral and ethical differences?   
The guru labels things. Rand loved to use the word _evil_.
All humans label things. As to Rand's loquacious use of the word evil, it would be logical to correlate the extent in her application of word "evil", with her perception of the social-political environment. Remember, Ayn Rand was a woman of a very strong moral certitude. 

The guru takes pride in throwing out people for "bad behavior." Rand's publications would actually cancel subscriptions and send refunds.
If by "bad behavior" you honestly mean immoral acts, then I see nothing wrong with that. As if it would be praiseworthy to suffer injustice. If someone defies my request to respect my household rules, and stomps their muddy combat boots all over my silk, persian rug, I will certainly take actions that you may deem as "cultish", and eject them from my premises for their "bad behavior". 

The guru is addicted to drugs. Bandler's history with drugs is well-known. Rand's worst drug seems to have been cigarettes. However, in the 1950's, it was apparently considered a "moral obligation" for an Objectivist to smoke.
If being addicted to "drugs" is a standard for being a guru, then once more, the definition of what a guru is has been blurred even further. Moreover, there is the concerns of considering what a "drug" is, and what constitutes being "addicted" to a drug. Some say all humans are "addicted" to a drug known as the "orgasm". By that definition, we're all gurus! I should grab my blue turban with the sapphire in the middle and sit in the lotus position. 

 The guru engages in some type of sexual perversion. In Rand's case, it was just an affair with Nathaniel Branden when both were married. Branden then started another affair before finally divorcing his wife Barbara. This is quite tame compared to Bandler's exploits.

Again, there is a very odd standard you are placing on this "guru". The reality that 60% of marriages end in divorce are related to a high rate of "sexual perversion" in human behavior. If engaging in some type of sexual misconduct at one point in our life-spans, is a criteria for being a guru, then I'd wager heavily that the mass majority of humans are all gurus. 

The guru is obsessed with intellectual property. In the 1970's, Rand met a guy who had a studio named Fountainhead Productions as a tribute to Rand. Her response to him was: "That is plagiarism." Bandler's lawsuit is well-known in the NLP community, of course.
It is easier to draw a black and white line between what is or what is not intellectual property. As any of us should understand, Ayn Rand was a strong protestant of the cult of "moral grayness". So, once more it seems that having a strong moral