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Post 60

Monday, August 4, 2008 - 9:47pmSanction this postReply
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Ralph peters for President! Read my review here.

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Thursday, August 28, 2008 - 3:03pmSanction this postReply
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Ron Paul, The Revolution: A Manifesto
Former candidate for the Republican presidential nomination, Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) presents his thoughts on a series of topics, ranging from civil liberties to foreign policy and the economy.  Rep. Paul contends that the United States government has deviated from the original understandings of the nation's Founding Fathers.  This event was hosted by the American Conservative Defense Alliance in Washington, DC.
(Sunday 11 PM ET)


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Harold Holzer on Abraham Lincoln and William Shakespeare
Author: Harold Holzer

Lincoln historian Harold Holzer discusses the 16th president's interest in the writings of William Shakespeare and his proclivity in quoting the playwright and attending his plays. Harold Holzer is joined by actors Philip Bosco, Kathleen Chalfant, and Richard Easton at the New York Public Library for the Performing Arts in New York City.


This is interesting as history and especially to hear the readings by Shakespearean actors. One hour.

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Wednesday, October 14, 2009 - 2:06pmSanction this postReply
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Milton Friedman on Book TV

In Depth Interview from September 3, 2000.

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Saturday, October 24, 2009 - 5:06pmSanction this postReply
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The 50th Anniversary of "Atlas Shrugged"

A discussion on Rand's life, writing and impact in academia

Nigel Ashford; Mimi Gladstein; Anne Heller; Edward Hudgins; David Kelly
Last aired: December 29, 2007

A discussion on Rand's views on politics, the fight for freedom, and the future of Objectivism
Edward Crane; John Fund; Fred Smith
Last aired: December 29, 2007

A discussion on Rand's thinking on economics, business ethics, and entrepreneurship
Robert Bidinotto; Rob Bradley; Ed Snider; Edward Younkins
Last aired: December 29, 2007

A discussion on Rand's views on ethics, life, and the American Revolution

Tibor Machan; David Mayer; Douglas Rasmussen; William Thomas
Last aired: November 23, 2007

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Saturday, October 24, 2009 - 6:31pmSanction this postReply
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Is that the same Mark Skousen whose CHRISTIAN SCIENCE MONITOR article on ATLAS SHRUGGED tells the world, as his evidence of Rand's "dark side," that "In fact, no children appear in Rand's magnum opus"?

I e-mailed both him and the MONITOR's editor the counter-evidence (chapter/page references), showing that at least ten children appear in the book. (See below for my list -- I doubt that anyone here will need chapter or page numbers, but I can supply these on request.) Neither man replied. The MONITOR (as far as I can discover) never acknowledged or retracted the error.

The ten (at least) children in ATLAS SHRUGGED:

Dagny, Eddie, Frisco, and Jim (in the chapter on their childhood -- cf. also an earlier chapter's reference to Dagny: "Dagny Taggart was nine years old ... "),

the "brood of ragged children" whom the adult Dagny and Hank encounter on the way to Starnesville. (I don't know the minimum number for a "brood," so shall parsimoniously set it at two. With the four children previously mentioned, then, we now have six),

the two children who die in the trainwreck ("The woman in Bedroom D, Car No. 10, was a mother who had put her two children to sleep in the berth above her ...").

and the baker's two children in Galt's Gulch (" ... she met the two sons of the young woman who owned the bakery shop. She often saw them wandering down the trails of the valley-two fearless beings, aged seven and four.")

Either Skousen hasn't read the book he writes about, or Skousen skipped some important chapters, or Skousen pretends that those chapters don't exist (I can't imagine that Skousen simply forgot ever having read a word about the childhoods of four major characters!), or Skousen learned his arithmetic in a school where ten equals zero and nine, seven, and four are the ages of adults.
(I did not say or write that paragraph to Mr. Skousen, but I am writing it to you. What are your favorite explanations for why Mr. Skousen -- like so many others -- regards the appearance of ten children in a thirty-chapter book as the absence of children from that book?)




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Saturday, October 24, 2009 - 8:11pmSanction this postReply
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Kate, are you referring to a prior post in this thread? You should provide a link to old references (check the date) not on the same page.

Many people do criticize Rand for her hostility to family. She did pay it lip service, but she never dramatized (as opposed to expositing) a parent's love for a child. In The Fountainhead some of the street urchins who are excluded from the Stoddard Home for Subnormal Children are portrayed as bright eyed and independent spirited. There is the boy on the bike. But in Atlas Shrugged, except for the major character flashbacks, there are no positive portrayals of children with speaking parts. But of course we have all read plenty of novels without children as speaking characters. I wonder, were there any on the train in the tunnel disaster?

Skousen is otherwise a good writer. His The Compleated Autobiography by Benjamin Franklin is a Gem. But this article is embarrassing. With all the invective he levels against Rand for espousing an ethics that is the "inverse" of Christianity (presumably devil worship and the sacrifice of others to self?) the worst he can do in the way of evidence is provide Galt's oath.

One wonders, did he actually read it, including the last eight words?

And why does he say "no feelings"? By feelings does he mean guilt? And why does he say "egotistical"? Is Skousen unaware of the difference between the meanings of the words egoistic and egotistic? Who in that book, besides James Taggart, is actually egotistical?

Skousen has the decency to quote Rand, even if he falsely calls her an emotionless materialist. One can almost here him screaming, "She's evil, she believes in a world where no sacrifice is necessary!" It is a shame he doesn't have the sense of irony to realize that those quotes show his reaction to her for what it is, hysteria.

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Saturday, October 24, 2009 - 10:23pmSanction this postReply
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Kate, are you referring to a prior post in this thread?

Yes: my message referred to Post 5 in this thread; I should have said so, and should have linked to it.

Indeed, Rand "never dramatized (as opposed to expositing) a parent's love for a child. ... in Atlas Shrugged, except for the major character flashbacks, there are no positive portrayals of children with speaking parts."

True -- so why couldn't Skousen have said that? Why did he want (or need) to claim "children never appear [in ATLAS SHRUGGED" when he could have said instead "children don't appear very often in this book, and are seldom presented favorably"?

As you say:

we have all read plenty of novels without children as speaking characters.

Strangely, no one (as far as I know) condemns writers other than Rand for writing books without some particular number/type/presentation of child characters.
Nobody, as far as I know, claims that Hemingway's bullfight stories don't have enough children (or calves).

In my (limited) experience and observation:

/1/ at least some of the people who critique Rand and her works as "dark" or "anti-human" (on the grounds of a shortage of children) refuse -- when asked -- to apply the same criticism to other novels which have few or no child characters.

/2/ I have gotten some ... hmmm, shall we say, "interesting" ... responses when I discuss this subject with people who tell me that "there are no children mentioned anywhere in any fiction by Rand, even in minor roles" (such people were pretty thick on the ground at one college I attended). They usually challenged me to show them the references, and I did. (One such person, a professor of American literature, thereupon warned me never to take his class or he would leave me wishing I hadn't!)

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I wonder, were there any on the train in the tunnel disaster?

I've checked -- the book does not record any words spoken by the children on the train.
(Edited by Kate Gladstone on 10/24, 10:25pm)


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Saturday, October 24, 2009 - 10:45pmSanction this postReply
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Who's afraid of Ayn Rand?

"True -- so why couldn't Skousen have said that? Why did he want (or need) to claim "children never appear [in ATLAS SHRUGGED" when he could have said instead "children don't appear very often in this book, and are seldom presented favorably"?"

You already know the answer, because Skousen is frightened by Rand (she upsets long held beliefs) and thus he must believe her EVUL.

All too many people can't "stand up" to Rand in their own heads. They feel that because she didn't espouse, bother to approve of, or otherwise carefully validate their values, that she must have opposed them. They want Rand to glorify family or the environment or X when for her it just wasn't so great a value. Such people really shouldn't care whether Rand approved of their values or not. Not finding her approval, they imagine and are insulted by what they fear must be her scorn. I, frankly, have never cared what Rand's opinion of homosexuality or Beethoven or the New Jersey Pine Barrens was, so I have never taken it personally that her values differ from mine.


As for "I've checked -- the book does not record any words spoken by the children on the train," my underlying question was, were there children on the train at all? Remember, every person on that train "deserved" his fate.

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... were there children on the train at all? ...


Rand says so:
"The woman in Bedroom D, Car No. 10, was a mother who had put her two children to sleep in the berth above her, ... "

The berth above a woman in a train must also have been on the train.
The two children were in that berth.
Therefore, the two children were in that train.

However ... few readers notice that Rand specifies that those *awake* on the train at the moment were the ones who deserved, because of bad thoughts, their horrible death. She says so, right at the end of the chapter --
immediately after listing sixteen passengers,
and specifying the thoughts for which they deserved to die horribly,
Rand closes the chapter by specifying that:
"These passengers were awake; there was not a man aboard the train who did not share one or more of their ideas." --
arguably, "these passengers" (awake and having wrong ideas) does not include the children --
since
/a/ they were probably not awake at the time (their mother has put them to sleep),
/b/ a child is not an adult (and Rand specifies that it was every "man aboard the train" -- which I take to mean every adult abourd the train -- who held one or more wrong ideas),
and (most tellingly)
/c/ Rand does not tell us what ideas the children held (that either would, or would not, have made them deserving of death). Rand could VERY easily have given the children their own paragraph[s] in the listing of death-worthy passengers: she could VERY easily have said that the kids, like the adults, were also awake and having bad thoughts (by writing something like "The children of the woman in Bedroom 10 were not asleep yet; the girl was praying to God to give her more toys, and her brother was thinking up new ways to destroy all his sister's remaining toys once the family returned home")
Since she doesn't do this -- since she tells us the death-worthy thoughts of everyone but the kids -- I believe that she means us to see the kids on the train as innocent victims of the bad premises held by adults. "These passengers were awake" I take to mean the passengers who are the subjects of the sentences which open each of the 16 paragraphs describing the thoughts and actions of an adult passenger on the train: in other words, the waking passengers would (or arguably could) include the children's mother but not the children themselves. Rand makes clear that the *waking* passengers deserved their death -- and Rand makes it likely that death came while the kids were asleep: a detail or implication that, in any other writer's work, a critic would praise as a sign of the writer's benevolence (a wish to avoid unnecessary roughness towards even fictional children).

Still, even Skousen's "Rand would disagree with me, so she must be EEVILL!!" attitude bothers me less than the attitude of some folks I've run into -- some who first damn Rand for "never" mentioning children, and who then in the same breath damn Rand for mentioning children in rags, children who die, or children in flashbacks. (When you point out the contradiction, and suggest they change "never" to "seldom" on account of it, they claim you have something wrong with you for regarding their statements as mutually contradictory.)

Some folks will go further: they will admit that Rand mentions children, but will ask you to accept the following as a "reason" that these mentions of children somehow "don't count" as ever mentioning children at all:
"Any children mentioned in a Rand novel" -- here I quote a high school teacher I suffered under -- "either grow up to be adults, or they don't grow up because they die as children, or we don't know what happens to them. If they live to be adults, then they are not properly child characters at all. If they die before adulthood, or if we don't know what eventually happens to them, then they are not properly CHARACTERS at all. Either way, they do not qualify as children in a novel."

(When I asked that teacher what else would need to happen in order to "qualify" a child as a child in a novel -- since the teacher disqualified /a/ any child who reached adulthood, /b/ any child who did not reach adulthood, and /c/ any child for whom we have no evidence one way or the other -- when I asked her to recommend some novel in which a child character did NOT fall into one of those three categories she considered as "non-mention of children" -- she said [and the rest of the class joyously agreed] that I was missing an obvious point:
"If you cannot feel the logic involved here, you should consider avoiding any activity as intellectually demanding as literacy."
I passed the class, regardless, though not with as good a grade as I usually managed to earn even in classes where I questioned an instructor.)

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"The children of the woman in Bedroom 10 were not asleep yet; the girl was praying to God to give her more toys, and her brother was thinking up new ways to destroy all his sister's remaining toys once the family returned home"

You so crayzy!

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I'm not so crazy -- a lot of kids pray to God for toys (or other things), and a lot of kids try to demolish the toys (or other property) of their brothers or sisters.

About children in Rand: the vivid portrayals of course include an incident in WE THE LIVING (where young Kira climbs up to a window and won't come down because her parents require her to play with her crippled cousin). Does anyone know whether this incident reflects anything in Rand's own childhood?




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Here is the listing for Plunder! which MJ mentioned.

Plunder!: How Public Employee Unions Are Raiding Treasuries, Controlling Our Lives and Bankrupting the Nation

Steven Greenhut takes a critical look at government workers and the unions that represent them. Mr. Greenhut argues that government employees, who receive salaries, benefits, and a level of job security that far outpace workers in the private sector, have become a huge drain on state and federal coffers. He spoke at Barnes & Noble Booksellers in Orange, California.

Steven Greenhut, a former member of the Orange County Register's editorial board, is the director of the Pacific Research Institute's Investigative Journalism Center and News Bureau in Sacramento. He is the author of "Abuse of Power: How the Government Misuses Eminent Domain.


Future Airings
Monday, January 11th at 7am (ET)


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    George Packer and Christopher Hitchens talk about George Orwell and his work, Feb. 27th, 28th, and May 1st, 2010.
 
 
 
Insightful author interviews
Saturday 10 PM, Sunday 9 PM,
Monday 12 PM and 3 PM ET 
 
 
George Packer (ed.), George Orwell
Facing Unpleasant Facts and All Art is Propaganda
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ge Packer and Christopher Hitchens talk about George Orwell and his work. Mr. Packer selected the pieces that appear in two recently published volumes of George Orwell's essays: Facing Unpleasant Facts and All Art Is Propaganda.  Mr. Hitchens, essayist for The Atlantic Monthly, is the author of Why Orwell Matters.


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All 23 years of C-Span programming is now available for streaming video. It is not explicitly said, but since all C-Span channels and programs are mentioned it seems that this includes all Book TV programming as well.

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