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Terrorism 2002-2005: Federal Bureau of Investigation Counterterrorism Division
http://www.fbi.gov/publications/terror/terrorism2002_2005.pdf

JUNE 15, 2002
Donald Rudolph sentenced for 1999 Propane Plot
On June 15, 2002, Donald Rudolph was sentencedto five years in prison for his role in a plot to destroy a propane storage facility near Elk Grove, California. Rudolph had pled guilty on January 19, 2001, to withholding knowledge of a conspiracy to use a weapon of mass destruction in connection with the propane plot. The plot to attack the propane storage facility was disrupted on December 3, 1999, when members of the Sacramento Joint Terrorism Task Force arrested Kevin Ray Patterson and Charles Dennis Kiles. Patterson, Kiles, and Rudolph were associated with an antigovernment group active in the central region of the state. When arrested, Patterson and Kiles were in possession of a detonation cord, blasting caps, grenade hulls, and various chemicals—including ammonium nitrate—and numerous weapons. Patterson and Kiles were convicted in May 2002 for conspiracy to use a weapon of mass destruction and conspiracy to use a destructive device.

February 13, 2003
Planned attacks on abortion clinics and Minority Targets
Amwell Township, Pennsylvania (Prevention of one act of Domestic Terrorism) On February 13, 2003, law enforcement officials arrested David Wayne Hull, a long-time member and self-professed leader of the White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan (KKK). Hull had been exploding pipe bombs on his property in Amwell Township, Pennsylvania, had built and detonated improvised explosive devices (IEDs) during KKK events, and was recorded instructing individuals on how to place IEDs to cause maximum damage. Hull had also made threats against minorities and abortion clinics. Hull was indicted in March 2003 for firearms charges, witness tampering, and instructing persons on procedures for creating destructive devices.  A jury in the Western District of Pennsylvania convicted Hull on seven counts of the ten-count indictment. On February 25, 2005, Hull was sentenced to 12 years in prison, followed by three years of probation.

April 4, 2003
Planned Murder Plots against Federal Judge, AUSA, and IRS Agent
Grangeville, Idaho (Prevention of one act of Domestic Terrorism) On April 4, 2003, the FBI arrested David Roland Hinkson, a constitutionalist and tax protestor, for attempting to arrange the murders of a federal judge, an Assistant U.S. Attorney, and an IRS Agent whom he blamed for his legal problems regarding a tax evasion case against him. Between December 2002 and March 2003, Hinkson offered two individuals $10,000 for committing all three murders. On January 27, 2005, Hinkson was found guilty on three counts of solicitation to commit murder after a three week jury trial in Boise, Idaho. On June 3, 2005, Hinkson was sentenced to 43 years in federal prison.

April 10, 2003
Planned cyanide attack
Tyler, Texas (Prevention of one act of Domestic Terrorism)  On April 10, 2003, the FBI arrested William Joseph Krar for fraud-related charges stemming from his attempt to deliver numerous false identification badges— including a United Nations Observer Badges, Defense Intelligence Agency identification, and a Federal Concealed Weapons Permit—to Edward Feltus, a member of the New Jersey Militia. Krar had also been identified as a potential weapons supplier associated with extremist militia activities. In a search of Krar’s Texas residence at the time of his arrest, FBI investigators found firearms, explosives, blasting caps, machine guns, over 100,000 rounds of ammunition, approximately 800 grams of sodium cyanide, and plans to weaponize the sodium cyanide. Krar and a co-conspirator, Judith Bruey, pled guilty to federal weapons charges, and in May 2004 were sentenced to 135 months and 57 months in federal custody, respectively. Feltus pled guilty to aiding and abetting the transportation of false IDs, and was sentenced in May 2004 to 18 months probation and fined $1,500.
http://www.fbi.gov/publications/terror/terrorism2002_2005.pdf

JANUARY 20, 2004
Planned Attacks Using Explosives
Birmingham, Alabama  (Prevention of one act of Domestic Terrorism)  On January 20, 2004, the Birmingham Joint Terrorism Task Force arrested David Nelson Hemphill for possession of pipe bombs and a homemade silencer. Subsequent searches of Hemphill’s person and property revealed a .45-caliber handgun, bomb-making materials, antigovernment and bomb-making literature, and components of an ammonium nitrate fuel oil (ANFO) improvised explosive device. Hemphill admitted that prior to his arrest he had been trying to construct ANFO bombs. Hemphill’s associate, Bruce Stephen Metzler, was also arrested. A search of Metzler’s person and property revealed two .22-caliber handguns, a .233-caliber rifle, a .308-caliber assault rifle, a single- barrel shotgun, a .38-caliber revolver, literature related to the Waco and Ruby Ridge incidents, and photographs of an abortion clinic bombed by serial bomber Eric Rudolph. Also located were two empty 20 mm military ammunition containers, wire end caps, fuses, gunpowder, and a partially constructed silencer. Hemphill and Metzler pled guilty to weapons charges. On January 25, 2005, Hemphill was sentenced in the Southern District of Alabama to 23 months in prison followed by 24 months supervised release. On September 22, 2004, Metzler was sentenced to probation.

APRIL 1, 2004
Arson
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma  (One act of Domestic Terrorism)  On April 1, 2004, Sean Michael Gillespie used a Molotov cocktail to firebomb the Temple B’nai Israel in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. The attack caused mostly smoke damage to the synagogue. Gillespie committed the arson as a target of opportunity when he could not locate for a similar attack the address of a person he presumed to be Jewish, whose name he had randomly discovered in a phone book. On April 16, 2004, the FBI arrested Gillespie for the firebombing. A search of Gillespie’s residence and truck revealed two videotapes, a baseball bat, brass knuckles, and a stun gun. One of the videotapes clearly implicates Gillespie in the firebombing of the synagogue. Gillespie had claimed association with the Aryan Nations and stated that he was proud of his actions. On April 26, 2005, Gillespie was convicted on charges related to the possession and use of an explosive device and on August 30, 2005, was sentenced to 39 years in prison.

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/31094
Alabama Free Militia Member Pleads Guilty in Federal Court
Jim Kouri, CPP
Jim Kouri, CPP is fifth vice-president of the National Association of Chiefs of Police and served in law enforcement for over 25 years. He writes for many police magazines such as Police Times. He's appeared as on-air commentator for over 100 TV and radio news and talk shows including Oprah, McLaughlin Report, CNN Headline News, MTV, Fox News, etc.  His book Assume The Position is available at Amazon.Com. His website is located at http://jimkouri.us
June 30, 2007
Bonnell Hughes, 57, of Crossville, Alabama, entered a guilty plea to eight counts of a federal indictment. Hughes was one of six men indicted in May 2007 in connection with an explosives recovery in Northeast Alabama.  Hughes, who held the rank of captain in the Free Militia, was involved in a conspiracy with other militia members to make hand grenades and self propelled grenades," stated U.S. Attorney Alice H. Martin. "He now faces up to 70 years in prison and fines of up to $2,000,000.
Hughes is the first member of the Alabama Free Militia to plead guilty in this investigation. ... During the execution of the search warrant, agents recovered some eighty hand grenades, sixty-eight self propelled grenades, a machine gun, and a silencer adapted to fit a machine gun.  [...]
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/31094

Bush administration terrorist list excludes right-wing groups
By Patrick Martin (World Socialist Web Site: www.wsws.org)
25 April 2005
Fascist, racist and anti-abortion groups are responsible for nearly all the terrorist attacks in the United States—with the exception of September 11, 2001—over the past two decades. These include the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995, which killed 168 people, as well as bombings of abortion clinics and assassination of abortion providers, and multiple cases of individual rampages, like that of Benjamin Smith, who went on a killing spree directed at blacks, Jews and immigrants in 1999.
 
 


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You can perform your own search on "church shooting" and cull out the ones that do not apply.  Churches are places where people congregate, by definition.  On the other hand, search for "stadium shooting" and the results are quite a bit different: police open fire on a crowd in Somalia... flag football gets rough in Anchorage... You see?  A lot more people at stadiiums, but a lot less violence than at churches.... 

cbs5.com - Richmond Church Shooting Leaves 1 Dead, 4 Injured
Mar 31, 2008 ... One man was killed and four others injured in a shooting Sunday in front of a church that was hosting a food service program for the ...
cbs5.com/crime/richmond.drive.by.2.687937.html - 41k - Cached - Similar pages

 

Church, Police Probe 7 Murders, Gunman Apparently Walked Out Of ...

Mar 14, 2005 ... Authorities are trying understand a deadly shooting in Wisconsin, where a man opened fire during a church service, killing seven and himself ...
www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/14/national/main679823.shtml - 90k - Cached - Similar pages

2 dead in Colo. church shooting - Crime & courts- msnbc.com

Dec 9, 2007 ... A gunman killed one person and injured four others before being shot dead by a security guard at a busy Colorado Springs megachurch on ...
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22171718/ - 52k - Cached - Similar pages

Eight dead in Texas church shooting--the latest eruption of social ...

Just before 7 pm on Wednesday evening Larry Ashbrook walked into the Wedgwood Baptist Church in a middle-class neighborhood on the southwestern edge of Fort ...
www.wsws.org/articles/1999/sep1999/tex-s17.shtml - 18k - Cached - Similar pages


Shot At New Life Church; Gunman, 2 Churchgoers Dead - Denver ...

The security team at New Life had been increased after word of a deadly shooting near a church in Arvada earlier that day, said New Life Senior Pastor Brady ...
www.thedenverchannel.com/news/14808321/detail.html - 55k - Cached - Similar pages


Church shooting a mystery

Former worker to be buried today in New York Just before he was shot to death behind the pulpit of the World Changers Church International two Saturdays ago ...
www.religionnewsblog.com/11980/church-shooting-a-mystery - 41k - Cached - Similar pages

Police Seek Leads in Shooting at Church - washingtonpost.com
Police investigators continued to search yesterday for a suspect and motive in a shooting that left two people wounded Wednesday night outside a Suitland ...
www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/20/AR2008032003407.html - Similar pages



(Edited by Michael E. Marotta on 4/21, 8:12pm)


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Tuesday, April 22, 2008 - 7:23pmSanction this postReply
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What is your point?

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What confuses you?


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Nothing. Just pointing out you have nothing to say.

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You mean that you do not want to hear the message.


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Michael,

"You mean that you do not want to hear the message."

This is a telling remark. You have stated earlier that you don't care if anyone agrees with you. You are preaching. You believe you have superior premises (anarchist) you don't care about discussion but simply "teaching" your superior point of view. No surprise that few take the bait.


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Evidently, Michael is answering Summer Serravillo's post in the "Liquidation of Islam" thread, in which she responded to him by listing an extensive catalogue of Muslim atrocities. So he's started a new thread in which he's providing his own list of home-grown terrorist activities.

Thanks Michael. Now I can see very clearly that there's no difference between Islamic terrorism and the home grown kind. And to think that I had been so deluded as to think otherwise. Shame on me!

- Bill



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You mean that you do not want to hear the message.


What message? You haven't given one.

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Mike Erickson: You have stated earlier that you don't care if anyone agrees with you. You are preaching.
William Dwyer: Evidently, Michael is answering Summer Serravillo's post in the "Liquidation of Islam" thread ... 

The choice to be virtuous or evil begins within the individual.  If one's moral code is contradictory -- based on non-objective metaphysics, etc. -- then happiness is going to be difficult if not impossible to discover and maintain.  In that case (at least for us here in America today)*, the individual will compartmentalize.  Contradictions may never be resolved, but a nominally good life can be had by any nominally good person. 

Those who choose evil typically do so by default, by not thinking, by beginning with the evasions, repressions and blank-outs that lead to socially destructive and ultimately self-destructive acts.  Sometimes -- especially in the modern world -- people who choose evil find convenient excuses nicely laid out as ideologies, religions and philosophies.  Nazis, communists and wahabbis are easy examples. 

You can read Nietzsche without defacing a synagogue, advocate for nationalized healthcare without planting a bomb on Wall Street, and actually believe in your heart that Muhammed is the profit of god without blowing yourself up in a marketplace.

We have seen here on RoR the claim that as moderate muslims fail to denounce fanatics, all of them deserve to be destroyed with nuclear weapons because they are dangerous to western civilization and threatening to the USA as a nation.  Yet, my Post 0 launching this topic was the first identification of rightwing terrorism.  How has it been that "rational patriots" have failed to denounce these armed militias who are engaged in a shooting war against the government in Washington DC?  I believe that the failure comes from a consonance among them.  The God-Guns-and-Gold militias who fear the international (Jewish) banking (debt) conspiracy and are armed to protect the (original) Constitution (sans income tax and direct election of senators, if not the 14th, 15th and 16th Amendments) find about a two-thirds resonance with some Objectivists. 

I believe that the simple listing of those terrorist assaults was enough to make the point.  Anyone who understood that connected the dots for themself.  Bill Dwyer certainly did.  Mike Erickson is also correct: debating him will never persuade him, so I choose not to.  Any post I make is for those who are not engaged in debate.  Debates prove nothing to the parties involved.  The advantage to a debate is only to give motive to elucidating one's point of view.  Third parties without an emotional stake can read the entire engagement and decide who is right and to what extent they have identified the facts of reality.  True and false certainly exist.  Most often among those who share a basic philosophy of objective principles disagreements reveal partial truths and incomplete falsehoods.

* Other people renounce the world or renounce any pretense of morality, etc.  In other times and places, these have been broad trends with the founding of religious communities, or widespread debauchery.  Life still goes on as it must: the fields get plowed, merchants carry goods, warriors clash. 

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"You can read Nietzsche without defacing a synagogue"

?!?

Well, that's good to know.

It's bad enough to do your little moral-equivalency Dan Rather dance, equating the PC package deal "conservative, white and Christian" with self-avowed advocates of sharia and jihad. Do you have to repeat groundless slanders of Nietzsche as well?

If I wanted this crap I could read the NY Times or watch Katie Couric.

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Michael,

You did not make a point. Show me the streets filled with people cheering for the events on your list.

You choose to regard people who draw different conclusions than you as stupid, or as children, or as evaders. This is the arrogance of the pacifist. "Somehow" you will educate or enlighten them or they will "grow up" and realize how wrong they have been. "Somehow" human nature will change.

I didn't miss your "This is the sound of one hand clapping...." remark. Give me a break.

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The Patriot War College
http://www.colddeadhands.addr.com/

Fugitive Michigan Militia Member Dies in Shootout
Scott Allen Woodring, the Michigan Militia member who became the subject of an intense manhunt in western Michigan, died on the morning of July 13, 2003, after being shot by state police. Woodring had killed a Michigan State Police officer a week earlier during an armed standoff.
Authorities received a tip revealing Woodring's current location, in a car parked behind a house some four miles from his home in Newaygo County. A SWAT team was sent to the location, where they found Woodring asleep in the vehicle.
Police ordered Woodring to remain in the car, but he emerged carrying an assault rifle. When he turned to face the officers, they fired at him.
http://www.adl.org/learn/news/Officer_Killed_michigan.asp

Constitutional Militias
The following are links to unofficial Web pages for each state, each of which will include links to locally-maintained constitutional militia Web sites as these become known. These pages are for the convenience of state and local militias until they can develop their own, and to provide a uniform reference system for the militia movement as a whole. Note that these pages are for constitutional militias only, those dedicated to the preservation, protection, and defense of the Constitutions for the United States and of their state, open to all citizens so dedicated, regardless of race, color, gender, or views on nonconstitutional issues.
http://www.constitution.org/mil/mil_us.htm
http://www.constitution.org/mil/mil_us.htm


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Mike,

While I agree that you are a contrarian, I believe that you SHOULD NOT be put on the witness stand of some sort of personal trial here. Though we may be a jury of your peers, we're not your personal judge or your executioners, per se. Even still, though you certainly don't have to answer (for reasons just stated), I am finding it increasingly impossible not to ask:

Is someone very dear to you a Muslim?

Ed

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Paul Johnson, Contractor


Photo deleted by Ethan. 

(Edited by Ethan Dawe on 4/29, 4:23am)


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I find the photo in the previous post to be very offensive and I request that the editor remove it.


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War is Hell

I find the implication of moral equivalence between isl@m and Christain white conservatives to be disgusting. Should I request that this thread and its originator be moved to dissent?

Any intellectual argument which cannot be connected from its abstract propositions to perceptual concretes is an invalid string of muddled thought based on floating abstractions. Paul Johnson was murdered in Iraq as a presumed Christian Crusader and a supporter of Bush's War on Saddam. I haven't posted such images wantonly just to disgust people, but if some people need reminding of the reality upon which these threads are based then this image serves an epistemologically valid purpose.

A person's discomfort if not an argument, an emotion is not a reason. Not mentioning evil is the essence of PC. How many evil characters in AS & Fountainhead suggested not mentioning unpleasant things? No one now objects to pictures of the holocaust or Brady's pictures of the civil war dead. Those images are comfortably distant. These images are too close for comfort for those who think on a perceptual level. Let us be men and face the facts.

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Ted writes:

> an emotion is not a reason.

Well Ted, just what do you think the purpose of your posting these pictures here is if not an attempt to engender an emotional response?

> A person's discomfort if [is?] not an argument

And I would counter that a picture and the resulting emotions you seek are not an argument. If you can't convince other people on this list of your position with well reasoned discourse, then you should just accept that fact that they are not going to be swayed. (An why do you even care anyway?) The only thing you really do by posting these pictures is inform us about your own inner turmoil over the issues of Islam and the Iraq war. They are not an effective argument for whatever point you are trying to make here and in other threads on this forum.

I find it particularly ironic that you so often resort to imagery to attempt to clarify your points when you conceal your identity with an avatar instead of revealing to us who you truly are with a contemporary photograph. What are you hiding? And what are you afraid of by writing the word Islam in your posts? I find all of this disconcerting.

Regards,
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Jeff

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I'm not sure if Ted is trying to get an emotional response with these pictures or not. I've never seen these photographs before and now that I have its given me reason to question my own assumptions about Islam and the war on 'terror'.

As for his avatar, perhaps Ted doesn't have a recent photograph to share with us. Or maybe he's extremely ugly and wishes to spare us. Most likely the 'avatars' he uses are meaningful to him.

And finally I can entirely agree with his not writing out the word Islam. Some of his comments might be offensive to Muslims. He's right to edit them in this way, otherwise it might get us all killed!

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otherwise it might get us all killed!

Make my day - I'm ready for the drive-by attempt....:))


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