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Post 100

Saturday, January 31, 2009 - 11:54amSanction this postReply
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And Fred's worried about thread abuse! :-)

Post 101

Saturday, January 31, 2009 - 12:04pmSanction this postReply
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I'll be the first to admit that Ted's thread abuse is more enjoyable.



Post 102

Saturday, January 31, 2009 - 1:09pmSanction this postReply
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Steve:

I agree that I'm writing in philosophical shorthand, just due to lack of time and the desire to put down the core reasoning.

However, I would not have any problem following my own posts, which makes it disturbing to me that you cannot - altho your summary of what you thought I meant was not that far off.

Consider, as a momentary note for now, the Heisenburg Uncertainty Principle, which, in it's typical model, concerns trying to determine both the position and velocity of an electron, as I'm sure you're familiar with.  What I'm claiming parallels HUP.  If you have an insufficient ratio of perception to integration, then you become biased toward rationalism, as in a "Consciousness conscious of nothing but itself..." 

This becomes a major problem if you have a situation of severe sensory deprivation, or if your interactions themselves alter what you are observing to the point that you can no longer trust your senses - as in having actual omnipotence or omniscience (neither of which can occur, in part due to this very problem).  Applying that to intelligence in general, I have posited several examples in real life, as well as hypothesizing how that might impact the ultimate evolution of intelligence.

My speculation here was not intended to promote Hinduism, by any means, but rather to focus on an already established line of reasoning that has been the subject of thousands of years of study by Hindu scholars and theologians, pointing to threads of logic that have emerged as a core of the philosophy because they are seemingly self-consistent and also do not contradict known science.  Thus, they provide a model and a speculative core, from which I was hoping to see more discussion, not mass conversions of objectivists to being Shiva worshippers...

The implications for this line of thought upon the Fermi Paradox seem obvious - to me, anyway.

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Post 103

Saturday, January 31, 2009 - 2:17pmSanction this postReply
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How is evidence of intelligent alien life not relevant to this thread?




Post 104

Saturday, January 31, 2009 - 2:29pmSanction this postReply
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"How would intelligent life on this thread, were it discovered, be relevant to the Fermi Paradox..." Is that what Ted said?

I got lost when I started knitting together the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, the portion of Hinduism's cosmology that coheres with modern science, madness from sensory deprivation, the ultimate evolution of intelligence, aliens, that consciousness conscious of nothing but itself, and... Sorry, I got lost again.

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Saturday, January 31, 2009 - 3:59pmSanction this postReply
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"However, I would not have any problem following my own posts, which makes it disturbing to me that you cannot"

Definition of insanity? :)

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Saturday, January 31, 2009 - 4:18pmSanction this postReply
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Ted wrote:
    "How is evidence of intelligent alien life not relevant to this thread?"
OK, I see your point! :-)

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Saturday, January 31, 2009 - 4:36pmSanction this postReply
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As my nephew Yoda is fond of saying, "Eedle eedle eedle."

This is my nephews' favorite SETI broadcast:




(Edited by Ted Keer on 1/31, 6:07pm)


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