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Wednesday, November 30 - 5:10pmSanction this postReply
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I was involved in a discussion on another site about Human Rights. One poster contended that his view of Human Rights included housing, food, and medical care. I was interested in why he and others thought this was a right and to see if he understood what this really means. Another poster though engaged me when I asked the all important question of "why?"

He said something to the effect that to not supply those things was immoral. I suggested that he was probably immoral then, as I'm sure people were hungry and he was not supplying for their rights. He din't like that. He said whether or not he was immoral was not the question at hand. Then he said this

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"We try to make something a Human Right to ensure that people donít die because of that attitude. You do not, however, force that immoral individual to perform any action, since that would be enslavement and a violation of his own Rights. The government acts in his stead, using his tax dollars. That way he can remain immoral, and still retain Human Rights for the unfortunate.
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Yep. Read that again. Yep, he really said it. I then pointed out that this was, in fact, force. Taxation is a form of force. It amounted to enslavement of one for the benefit of others. He said:

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"Opinion is not a defense against reason."

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Yep. He followed this up with this gem:

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"Enslavement is forcing someone to do what you want, when you want them. Your tax protestor is not in that situation. He can work at whatever he wants, in the shift that he wants, so long as someone is willing to hire him. Taxation is the enforced payment for infrastructure and programs that are of interest to society as a whole that would not be paid for without organized forced donations. At worst, you could call it theft. But it is in no way shape or form even approaching the definition of enslavement.

What is reasonable is not determined by the individual, when it comes to the benefits of society. A cyclist doesnít get to not pay taxes for public roads for vehicles. The vehicles that use those roads may be vile to him, but they deliver his food to the grocer, his next bicycle to the store, the Fire trucks to his house, and the police to capture the escaped criminal in his backyard. His opinion that he shouldnít pay is irrelevant, because society has use for that road. Taxes are a form of insurance, used to ensure that while a personís current situation may not require the services Society provides through taxation, that when the situation changes, they are there to help all people, regardless of previous shortsightedness."

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This is the face of the enemy. I pointed out the circular nature of his assertions and the fact that the whole thing was contradictory. It had no basis in reality and merely arose from starting with the idea that people should have these things rather than with reality. He called me a troll and a fool. Of course this is all you can expect when people refuse to challenge their own baseless assertions. When reality has no hold and "social benefit" trumps reason and personal rights.



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Wednesday, November 30 - 5:36pmSanction this postReply
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He is an existentially terrified child. His terror, in his mind, justifies his naked aggression, his demand to have not only his needs but his wants and whims, including his worldview, provided for him by some faceless/nameless others, as his birthright.

He's right, though. Thinking people do have a choice as to how much excess value they produce. There comes a point when holding excess IOUs in a tribe that increasingly thinks like him is not the sweet deal he makes it out to unavoidably be.

It is, in fact, quite avoidable. Deliberately avoidable.

When he makes it a value to be creative about avoiding that condition, those who can will. Easily.

That will leave more of The Pie for him and his.

Except that it doesn't. He can't tax what never existed in the first place, and he and his haven't the slightest idea where carcass comes from, only how to carve it.

If and when he and his ever figure this out, their naked aggression will need to become even more explicit.

But there is little to no chance of that ever happening.

However, that is largely a problem only for him and his.

regards,
Fred







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Thursday, December 1 - 2:41amSanction this postReply
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I have encountered enough lying alcoholic panhandlers in my day to have my fill of people who demand that I supply them with the basic necessities. Recently my heart went soft and I bought a sandwich for one. This guy, who plainly rode a bicycle and had liquor on his breath, had the gall to ask me for gas money on top of it all! I said NO. The waitress told me later that she had in-laws in the same boat and that she and her husband refused to help their pathetic asses.

Anyone who missed it should read the infamous "Hazards of Benevolence" thread as well.

Although I support the right to engage in voluntary private charity, clearly that has been the subject of abuses, e.g. inflated salaries of CEOs of those charities, etc. In general, charity begins at home. It should usually end there as well. Government force simply exacerbates the vices that lead to so much neediness in this world in the first place.

(Edited by Luke Setzer on 12/01, 2:43am)




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Thursday, December 1 - 4:48amSanction this postReply
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I had one approach. Me when I was at a coffee shop he handed me a card that stated he was hearing impaired and down on his luck etc. I wasn't buying it he was dressed better than I was!

Needless to say I saw the same guy about 3 weeks later so being curious I honked my horn as he walked in front of my truck..he jumped back like he was struck by lightning! I rolled down my window and cryed out "its a miracle god be praised! You have your hearing back!" The look of anger mixed with shame was classic.

I saw him again about a year later doing the same dang thing.



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Thursday, December 1 - 6:07amSanction this postReply
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Hi Luke,

I too engage in private charity. I gave quite a bit this year, but only to groups and individuals that I'm fairly sure are not wasteful or undeserving.



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Thursday, December 1 - 6:36amSanction this postReply
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My wife and I donate to the cross cancer institute her best friend was diagnosed with cervical cancer...normally a very treatable condition, she was dead 6 months later.
My wife then donated her hair which was down to her waist and said it was the best thing she ever did.
It didn't cost anything but to those who lose their hair to chemotherapy it really means the world.



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Thursday, December 1 - 10:23amSanction this postReply
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Speaking of private charity ...

Warren Buffet wants the government to take more money from him, but I haven't heard him say what he wants the government to do with it.

If he thinks the government can spend it more efficiently and effectively than he can, I have to wonder how he made all that money in the first place. I mean, he can't be too awfully bright.



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