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Tuesday, September 24, 2013 - 8:20pmSanction this postReply
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Mike,
According to my understanding of this model, Michael Milken was punished specifically and only because his earnings were deemed "unfair."  The technical violation of the law was irrelevant according to this model: anthropologically, Milken's punishment was a consequence of the world religions that make large communities possible.
Made. The world religions that made large communities possible. Because of moral (philosophical) progress, world religions are no longer needed in order to make large communities possible. For instance, if you cloned me (or others here) thousands of times and put us all on an island together (and if ideas got transferred genetically), then I would get along with myselves -- like I would get along with a bunch of "you"s, though I'd feel more apprehension disagreeing with you, because that would mean that I disagree with everybody (if it was thousands of clones of you).

:-)

Don't get me wrong, I'd still disagree with you from time to time, but we are people who have learned that disagreement can be done agreeably. Now, admittedly, the people of Earth are on different points along a continuum of moral or philosophical progress -- so it's not like world religions could just disappear overnight and everything would be hunky-dory. If you try too hard to fix something, then you will break it even more (imagine slamming 2 broken pieces of a brittle porcelain vase together).


I add that the largess distributed by Bill and Melinda Gates, George Soros, and others (following in the tradition of Rockefellar, Carnegie, W. T Grant, and many many more), is exactly the behavior predicted by this model. The very wealthy are giving away "fair shares" to anonymous others in order to not be punished by Third Parties.  At least, that is one way to look at it...
This is akin to the "just throw them a bone" meat-sharing noted in primates.

While it sounds compelling and easy to accept I question whether fairness in cash transactions really do attempt to mimic the trust of a small group society. In these studies are tribes whose ethos is that you never have to share what comes to you by good fortune. Also in these studies are tribes whose members learn "perfect self interest" in being willing to accept any gift no matter how small, rather than decline an "unfair" gift.  So, given those two, I have to question the premise because it is not clear that small group local tribe society is inherently "fair."
This reminds me of something I read in either Jared Diamond's Guns, Germs, Steel, or in Pinker's The Blank Slate, or in Michael Shermer's The Science of Good and Evil (paraphrased): Every person on the planet thinks that murder is wrong, but people have differing definitions of murder -- so that some "murders" aren't wrong in some societies, because they aren't considered to be murders in those societies.

:-)

Also, I do nod to their claim that "world religions" - Islam and Christianity - may indeed impel toward "fairness" with their promise of a Judgment in the afterlife.  But that would have to be compared and contrasted, say with Buddhism and Confucianism, especially in China, which in its long history had several notable periods of mercantile expansion and explosions in literacy.  And today, such families both at "home" and here in the USA, have other attributes of stability that seem important to successful commercial society. 

And finally we have no centuries-long tradition of an Objectivist society to which to compare all of those.
Great points.

Ed

(Edited by Ed Thompson on 9/24, 8:29pm)


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Thursday, September 26, 2013 - 7:23amSanction this postReply
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To go to the source, read the entirety of "Ayn Rand and Evolution" by Neil Parille http://rebirthofreason.com/Articles/Parille/Ayn_Rand_and_Evolution.shtml
here under Objectivism on RoR. The essay itself and many of the 157 comments are illuminating.
From the title essay:

Rand’s hesitation about evolution calls for an explanation. As Rand must have been aware, many religious conservatives (who were a frequent target of hers) reject evolution. There are a few possibilities for this hesitation.

First, evolution is generally seen as a deterministic and ultimately hostile to free will. (Machan, Ayn Rand, pp. 142-43.)

Second, if biological evolution is true, then many areas of philosophy might need to be reexamined. For example, how can man have a qualitatively different value from animals if is every bit a part of nature as animals? Interestingly, a standard argument of religious conservatives against evolution is similar. God created man as the center of creation and reducing him to a part of the material universe on a similar plane as animals is condescending.

Third, Rand may have been fearful of creating a biological or secular equivalent to original sin.

Fourth, it is also possible that Rand may have believed that biological evolution did not present any problems for Objectivism, but hoped that followers more knowledgeable in biology would resolve whatever tensions exist.

Conclusion

As Tibor Machan notes, the topic of “how evolutionary biology could be made compatible with free will and morality” is “missing from [Rand’s] works.” (Machan, Ayn Rand, p. 143.) It is hoped that this brief essay will encourage others to take up this topic and fill this lacunae in Rand’s thought.


Allow me to add here that no one in the discussion mentioned EPIGENETICS, which demonstrates that environmental influences do change what and how we inherit the programming of DNA sequences.

Also, just to note in the comments to the Parille piece, at the bottom in the 140s and 150s are links from Stephen Boydstun. It is a bit of reading, all in all, but, as always, well worth the investment:
Would Rand have been thinking about species-evolution in a Lamarckian way, in which acquisition of useful abilities by learning during an individual animal’s life could be transmitted to progeny by sexual inheritance? Most likely she was thinking more along the lines of Baldwinian evolution (1895–96, 1902), which comports with Darwinian evolution. “Baldwin suggested that learning and behavioral flexibility can play a role in amplifying and biasing natural selection because these abilities enable individuals to modify the context of natural selection that affects their future kin”


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