|Anthony Gregory said:|
How, then, did the US war in Vietnam, which left millions dead by bombing and poisoning, help any? Vietnam didn't improve until after the US left. Though, some are still sick and dying thanks to the US chemical warfare. First of all no one is dying from the 'poisoning', thats more rhetorhic of the anti-war and anti-science revisionists. Agent orange is not carcinogenic and does not cause diabetes, despite the VA's claims to the contrary. Vietnam veterans experience no higher incidence of any disease over the rest of the population, nor do the people of vietnam suffer from it, they suffer from the murderous oppressive communist hell whole of which they currently live under. Of which, I note, you know nothing about apparently, and is completely anti-thetical to everything that libertarians allegedly value. Just like every state incarnation of communism.
See Michael Fumento's site for more information about the psuedoscience you are relaying. http://www.fumento.com/suagent.html
The most egregious statement of your entire post. VIETNAM DIDNT IMPROVE ANY UNTIL AFTER THE US LEFT!! Oh you mean when the South Vietnamese fought off the Soviet backed communist north for TWO MORE YEARS? Or was that when the Soviet tanks rolled into saigon that the lives of the average vietnamese person started to rise? That must have been why 250,000 thousand of them fled in rafts, most to drown, fleeing the communist north, because they could stand the good life that awaited them!
From Rummel's site
The shame of the Vietnam War was that American and South Vietnamese forces won it. But, it was lost by our major media, Democrats, and so called “antiwar” demonstrators (leading activists of which were pinkos and communists), and President Nixon who cut and run. And this directly resulted in the death of millions of civilians in Cambodia, Laos, and Vietnam, and in deadly attempts to escape the new Vietnam hellhole on unseaworthy boats. The toll 1975-1987 for Cambodia was about 2,850,000 murdered after our withdrawal, Laos was 130,000, and Vietnam 528,000 plus 250,000 Boat People. In total about 3,758,000 people were murdered after our withdrawal, and the resulting defeat of South Vietnam (see my Statistics of Democide chapter on Vietnam—link here). Note that 528,000 occured AFTER the US LEFT. When was it, exactly, that vietnam became a better place?
I dont know what information set you are basing your assessment of life in vietnam on, but it disagrees with Freedom house
Perhaps you have an intuitive skepticism of this whole "freedom thing" in other countries anyway, or perhaps you can point toward your information source asserting that "Vietnam did not get better until after the US Left"
Freedom House ratings
South Vietnam North Vietnam
1973 4,5,PF 1973 7,7,NF
1974 4,5,PF 1974 7,7,NF
1975 4,5,PF 1975 7,7,NF
1976 7,7,NF 1976 7,7,NF
Notice that South Vietnam scored a consistent 4,5, PF until overrun by the communists, where it was demoted to 7,7NF, and has never recovered. At this rate, the people of Vietnam may have the freedoms that the people of South Vietnam had by, oh, 2050.
I dont know what rediculous feeling you might intuit about the state of Vietnam but it clearly does not coincide with the facts. That you seem to have a prevelant voice in the libertarian community and are so patently ignorant of the lives that the people of Vietnam lived under communism is highly disturbing, though sadly not surprising.
Put down the Chomsky and Zinn and check your premises