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Monday, July 2, 2007 - 12:48pmSanction this postReply
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Nothing like - from the horse's mouth. huh..........



Formal Islamic theology, unlike Christian theology, does not allow for the separation of state and religion: they are considered to be one and the same.

So - there cannot be such a thing as a secular Islamic country....
and by the same token, there cannot be Islamists who hold to a secular country....
such as the United States.... if they claim so, they are liars on the face of it...


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Monday, July 2, 2007 - 12:57pmSanction this postReply
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Islam and freedom are incompatible.

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Monday, July 2, 2007 - 7:16pmSanction this postReply
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There isn't enough room to outline everything here, but the foundation of extremist reasoning rests upon a model of the world in which you are either a believer or an infidel.
Either-or. Either you are a rational, productive man-worshipper who lives according to an objective code of values or you are a whim-worshipping muscle mystic, a range-of-the-moment, context-dropping altruist who would immolate the best of us in the name of the worst of us.  
Formal Islamic theology, unlike Christian theology, does not allow for the separation of state and religion: they are considered to be one and the same.
Set aside for now the discussion of what an "Objectivist" government would be like and why some people want one. 
Apostolic King was an hereditary title borne by the King of Hungary. Saint Stephen (ca 975–1038) is supposed to have received it from Pope Sylvester II — his efforts to Christianize his people led to his comparison to one of the apostles. It was first used by the Holy Roman Emperor Leopold I (1657–1705) as King of Hungary. The title was last used in the reign of Charles IV (1916–18).
The introduction of this title is a parallel with Spain's Catholic and France's Most Christian King.
Apostolic King -- From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
HM The Queen presented with Common Worship
14 November 2000
Her Majesty The Queen, today, Tuesday, November 14, received a presentation volume of Common Worship: Services and Prayers for the Church of England. The volume was presented by the Archbishop of York, Dr David Hope, after Her Majesty, welcomed by the Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr George Carey, officially opened the seventh General Synod of the Church of England.
http://www.cofe.anglican.org/news/hm_the_queen_presented_with_common_worship.html
On the First Amendment:
"The real object of the First Amendment was not to countenance, much less to advance Mohammedanism, or Judaism, or infidelity, by prostrating Christianity, but to exclude all rivalry among Christian sects [denominations] and to prevent any national ecclesiastical patronage of the national government."
[J. Story, III, Commentaries on the Constitution [section] 1871 (1833)]
Justice Joseph Story
http://www.eadshome.com/JosephStory.htm
Tax benefits for religious organizations fall into three general categories: tax-free donations, tax-free land and tax-free commercial enterprises. The first two are much easier to defend and arguments against permitting them are much weaker. The latter, however, often creates problems. "Tax Exemptions Available to Churches"
http://atheism.about.com/od/churchestaxexemptions/a/churchexemption.htm
 
The Constitution of the State of North Carolina prohibits atheists from holding office.
Article VI. Section 8.
http://statelibrary.dcr.state.nc.us/nc/stgovt/article_vi.htm
According to the Library of Congress:
"Many states were as explicit about the need for a thriving religion as Congress was in its thanksgiving and fast day proclamations. ... Knowing that in the egalitarian, post-independence era, the public would no longer permit single denominations to monopolize state support, legislators devised "general assessment schemes." Religious taxes were laid on all citizens, each of whom was given the option of designating his share to the church of his choice. Such laws took effect in Massachusetts, Connecticut, and New Hampshire and were passed but not implemented in Maryland and Georgia."
http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel05.html
As I pointed out here in an RoR Forum, at the canton and commune level, government is intricately linked to religion in Switzerland, including tax-support for clergy whose work is regulated by law.
See also "Church and State in Switzerland: A Comparative Study"
F. William O'Brien Virginia Law Review, Vol. 49, No. 5 (Jun., 1963), pp. 904-924



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Tuesday, July 3, 2007 - 8:24amSanction this postReply
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     Well, the article was interesting re this presumed 'convert' of radicalism to moderateness, but, his statements were unclear as really WHY he...supposedly changed; as well, all said and done, who was he reallly speaking to? Like, apparently he no longer interpreted the Koran in the same way anymore; why, given his surroundings of propagandists? Can such 'whys' be expectable from other fundamentalists whom, at the end, he implies one can dialogue with? How, or why not?

LLAP
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Tuesday, July 3, 2007 - 3:34pmSanction this postReply
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John: Like, apparently, you know, it's sometimes, kinda really hard (like in your profile) ... to understand what you're trying to say. If you're alleging that he was brainwashed and that his original views were correct why don't you come out and say it? If you're alleging that he couldn't think for himself, given the cohesiveness of his colleagues, what motive do you have in being suspicious about it?

Why do you skeptically suggest that he was a "presumed convert?" Do you have any reason why we should not take him at his word? Is his purpose to infiltrate anti-terrorism? Why is there an issue of "who was he really speaking to?"  Muslims, Brits, Christians, Al Qaeda ...as if there is a hidden agenda here somewhere.

Curious people want to know.

Sam


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Thursday, July 5, 2007 - 12:22pmSanction this postReply
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Sam:

     I'm, you know, 'alleging' nothing, other than there being a reason to ask the questions I asked. I gather you find them superciliously pointless.

     Yes, I said 'presumed' because I look askance at all 'mind-changers' who seem to have a lot to say about what some of us should do, such as focusing on having a dialogue with fanatical murderers, without explaining or even giving a hint of an explanation, as to how or when just exactly what...supposedly...changed his mind (or, was it his 'heart'?)

LLAP
J:D


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