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You have to click through several other essays to get to parts three and four.  Basically, part one carries the message and the other three parts are for those who enjoy reading more of the same.  That said, neither is there any surprise in this.  The story broke on ABC NEWS.  So really, all we have is a couple of Republican lawyers repeating what they saw on television.


http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4443788&page=1
Obama's Pastor: God Damn America, U.S. to Blame for 9/11
Obama's Pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Has a History of What Even Obama's Campaign Aides Say Is 'Inflammatory Rhetoric'
 By BRIAN ROSS and REHAB EL-BURI
March 13, 2008
Sen. Barack Obama's pastor says blacks should not sing "God Bless America" but "God damn America."
The Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Obama's pastor for the last 20 years at the Trinity United Church of Christ on Chicago's south side, has a long history of what even Obama's campaign aides concede is "inflammatory rhetoric," including the assertion that the United States brought on the 9/11 attacks with its own "terrorism.

In fact, that story leads to others on related subjects about Senator Obama.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2008/03/rezko-trial-oba.html
Rezko Trial: Obama Consulted on Board Picks
March 10, 2008 1:27 PM
Justin Rood and Melissa Murphy Report:
As an Illinois lawmaker, Barack Obama was one of eight state officials consulted on appointments to a state board which later became involved in what prosecutors describe as a fraud scheme, the Associated Press reports today.

Not to confuse the issues here, but this also came up:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2008/03/alleged-emperor.html
Alleged "Emperor" Kingpin Had IRS Creds
 March 11, 2008 5:37 PM
Justin Rood Reports:
The alleged leader of the prostitution ring that tripped up Eliot Spitzer is credentialed to represent clients before the Internal Revenue Service, an IRS spokesman confirmed Tuesday.
According to prosecutors, Mark "Michael" Brener, 62, had "ultimate decision-making authority" over the Emperor’s Club VIP prostitution service.  They say he recruited "prospective prostitutes," handled the group’s marketing, and settled disputes between prostitutes and their clients.


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Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 7:30amSanction this postReply
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Ought to read Pam's blog - http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/

she writes a lot - in detail - about Obama.... among others.......



Y'all might enjoy this...  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-borowitz/obama-converts-to-judaism_b_91687.html

(Edited by robert malcom on 3/16, 8:35am)


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 A whole lot!  A link in her blog took me to an article that was emailed to me a few weeks ago. When I first read the article, I waived it off as pure hyperbole, but now I'm not so sure.

Here it is...


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Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 4:46pmSanction this postReply
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Thanks for the link Teresa.

How could Obama be as offended by Wright's beliefs as he says he is, if he has him as his spiritual advisor, had him officiate at his wedding and continued attending his church long after he was aware of his pastor's bizarre views? The answer is, he couldn't be. It's patently disingenuous of him to now make a big production out condemning Wright's rhetoric, which he is doing only as a political expedient. In fact, Wright himself said that it might be necessary for Obama to do just that.

Lovely. And we've got this guy to look forward to as our next president. Kind of makes the hair stand up on the back of your neck.

- Bill




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Monday, March 17, 2008 - 4:27amSanction this postReply
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Obama made a YouTube video this weekend explaining why he stayed in the church, even though he disagrees with some of the reverend's statements. One reason is because he enjoys the "community" of the church.

If that's true, he must "enjoy" feeling awfully out of place, given the congregation's cheering and applause after Wright's statements. 



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Monday, March 17, 2008 - 5:36amSanction this postReply
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TSI:"... A link in her blog took me to an article that was emailed to me a few weeks ago. When I first read the article, I waived it off as pure hyperbole, but now I'm not so sure. "

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Monday, March 17, 2008 - 9:36pmSanction this postReply
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I'm not so sure Obama will be our next President. This bit of news alone is damaging enough for him to lose. We still have months of campaigning in a general election to get through and polls this far away from the general election are not enough to predict who will win.

By the way good posts Bill and Teresa.

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Tuesday, March 18, 2008 - 12:04amSanction this postReply
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The Religious Wright

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4443788&page=1

WSJ

Are we wrong to think that Barack Obama's campaign is imploding? For the past few days the national spotlight has been on Jeremiah Wright, pastor of the Trinity United Church of Christ and Obama's so-called spiritual mentor, who turns out to be a certifiable America-hating crackpot. As ABC News reported last week:

"The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people," he said in a 2003 sermon. "God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme."

In addition to damning America, he told his congregation on the Sunday after Sept. 11, 2001 that the United States had brought on al Qaeda's attacks because of its own terrorism.

"We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye," Rev. Wright said in a sermon on Sept. 16, 2001.

"We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost," he told his congregation.

Obama's response--which we'll get to in a moment--has been to assert that the most outrageous of Wright's utterances are news to him, and to avoid discussing the pastor's overall theological worldview.

In a set of "talking points" on the church's Web site , Wright proclaims himself an exponent of "black liberation theology." He cites James Cone, a distinguished professor at New York's Union Theological Seminary, whom he credits for having "systematized" this strain of Christianity.

Here is a quote from Cone, explaining black liberation theology (hat tip: Spengler , a pseudonymous columnist for the Asia Times):

"Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community. . . . Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love."

Could Obama really have been unaware for all these years that his spiritual mentor follows a racially adversarial theology, one that demands of God that he be "for us and against white people" and that he participate "in the destruction of the white enemy"? It doesn't exactly sound like the sort of change we can believe in.

National Review's Rich Lowry notes that Obama's 1995 memoir, "Dreams of My Father," cites a Wright sermon called "The Audacity of Hope," the title of which Obama borrowed for his own campaign slogan. Without evident disapproval, Obama quotes a passage from that sermon in which Wright describes "a world . . . where white folks' greed runs a world in need."

Writing on the Puffington Host, self-described Obama backer Gerald Posner says he finds it hard to believe Obama could not have known about Wright's post-9/11 calumny:

"There was no more traumatic event in our recent history than 9/11. Reverend Wright's comments would have raised a ruckus at most places in America, coming so soon after the the attack itself. . . .

"If the parishioners of Trinity United Church were not buzzing about Reverend Wright's post 9/11 comments, then it could only seem to be because those comments were not out of character with what he preached from the pulpit many times before. In that case, I have to wonder if it is really possible for the Obamas to have been parishioners there--by 9/11 they were there more than a decade--and not to have known very clearly how radical Wright's views were. If, on the other hand, parishioners were shocked by Wright's vitriol only days after more than 3,000 Americans had been killed by terrorists, they would have talked about it incessantly. Barack--a sitting Illinois State Senator--would have been one of the first to hear about it.

"Can't you imagine the call or conversation? 'Barack, you aren't going to believe what Revered [sic] Wright said yesterday at the church. You should be ready with a comment if someone from the press calls you up.'"

And what does Obama have to say for himself ? Essentially nothing. In his own Puffington Host post, the senator issues a series of condemnations without troubling himself to specify what he is condemning:

"I vehemently disagree and strongly condemn the statements that have been the subject of this controversy. I categorically denounce any statement that disparages our great country or serves to divide us from our allies. I also believe that words that degrade individuals have no place in our public dialogue, whether it's on the campaign stump or in the pulpit. In sum, I reject outright the statements by Rev. Wright that are at issue. . . .

"The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation. When these statements first came to my attention, it was at the beginning of my presidential campaign. I made it clear at the time that I strongly condemned his comments. . . .

"Let me repeat what I've said earlier. All of the statements that have been the subject of controversy are ones that I vehemently condemn. They in no way reflect my attitudes and directly contradict my profound love for this country."

In the same post, Obama claims that Wright "has never been my political advisor; he's been my pastor." In fact, as Bloomberg reports, Wright served on an advisory committee for the Obama campaign, from which he was forced to resign Friday.

Why does Obama feel it necessary to resort to these lawyerly--dare we say Clintoneque--evasions? (The American Thinker blog sends them up to great effect.) Why can't he simply speak from the heart and tell us what he really thinks of black liberation theology? Two possibilities come to mind, both of which may be true.

One is that Obama's condemnation and rejection of Wright's appalling statements is not sincere. That is not to say that Obama shares Wright's hatreds; we have no reason to think that he does and would be surprised if he did. It may just be that the whole question is a matter of indifference to him, except inasmuch as it affects his own political ambitions. If Obama doesn't speak from the heart, perhaps it is because his heart has nothing to say.

Obama apparently has been aware for some time that his association with Wright was likely to be a political liability. The New York Times reports:

"In the interview last spring, Mr. Wright expressed frustration at the breach in [his] relationship with Mr. Obama, saying the candidate had already privately said that he might need to distance himself from his pastor."

At this point, though, "distancing" himself plainly is not enough. Obama needs to renounce Wright and his noxious beliefs forcefully and specifically, even if he personally is blasé about them.

But this brings us to the second possible reason he hasn't done so: that it may entail a political cost as well. After all, it's not as if the malevolent minister is preaching to empty pews. There is a segment of the black community that embraces Wright-style bigotry, shown anecdotally in this quote from the ABC News story:

"I wouldn't call it radical. I call it being black in America," said one congregation member outside the church last Sunday.

We would like to think this point of view is not terribly common. But Wright's congregation has 8,000 members, the biggest in its denomination, according to the Religion News Service . Possibly Obama has reason to fear losing crucial black support if he expressly repudiates Wright and what he stands for.

One of the Obama campaign's chief selling points has been the promise of "unity" and of rising above racial division. But how can you you unify the nation while countenancing hatred of it? And how can racial division be overcome when those who preach hatred are able to find such a large audience?



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Tuesday, March 18, 2008 - 7:46amSanction this postReply
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John: "I'm not so sure Obama will be our next President. This bit of news alone is damaging enough for him to lose."

I also think it's too early to say that Obama will probably be the next President. But I don't agree that this news alone is damaging enough for him to lose. After all, HE didn't say these things; his pastor did. And like a good politician, Obama then dropped Wright from his campaign when his bizarre remarks were published. This isn't a defense of Obama's character as it pertains to his relationship with Wright. But I do think most Americans aren't going to write Obama off just because of offensive remarks that his pastor and "spiritual advisor" made. Americans are used to people associated with political campaigns doing or saying stupid things. This is big news NOW, but there's unlikely to be any serious electoral fallout from it.

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Tuesday, March 18, 2008 - 8:23amSanction this postReply
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Bill Dwyer:
How could Obama be as offended by Wright's beliefs as he says he is, if he has him as his spiritual advisor, had him officiate at his wedding and continued attending his church long after he was aware of his pastor's bizarre views?
I believe it's a lot like reading the Bible. Each person gets to pick and choose what he or she accepts or rejects. They can still be friends and agree that reading the Bible is valuable. There are lots of Christian denominations out there, but the members of the various ones can find enough agreement on some points to make a political coalition.


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Jon I'm not so sure. Recent polls have shown that 56% of Americans say they would be less likely to vote for him because of his Pastor's comments. This news story won't go away soon, and with more than half of Americans questioning Obama's character, (after all how can he claim he'll have better judgment than his political opponents with foreign policy when he clearly displayed awful judgment in picking an Afro-centric hate filled church, that even his mother disapproved of him joining) I think we are seeing the beginning of his political death throes.

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I suggest everyone read/view Obama's response to the latest controversy: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/a_more_perfect_union.html

Can you imagine Bill or Hillary giving a speech like this? Obama doesn't side-step the issue or try to blame someone else. This is a thoughtful and insightful commentary on race relations in the USA today. Of course I realize that Obama is trying to have his cake and eat it too, but what politician doesn't?

In the end, my fervent hope is that all three of them lose. Seeing as that isn't possible, I'd rather see Obama as President than Hillary or McCain.
(Edited by Jordan Zimmerman on 3/18, 1:57pm)


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The issue I have with Obama's speech is when he said he could no more disown his pastor than he can disown the black community, and he can no more disown his pastor than he can disown his white grandmother (whom he said had racist tendencies). But it is ludicrous to equate a family member with someone you choose to associate with. You can't choose who your grandmother is, but you can choose which church (or organization) to belong to. I hold him responsible for who he chooses to associate with, not his accidental birth. Nor does he have to accept the "black community" as a whole, but instead accept "black individuals" who share his values, or for that matter just "individuals" who share his values. His pastor was not his grandmother nor was he the "black community" (whatever the hell that means). And whatever good his pastor has done, is completely squandered by the fact he speaks from his church's podium with a poisonous, racist, hate-filled speech that spreads vicious lies about America.

Then Obama tries to explain, as if to justify this venom, by saying we should respect this "anger" that is heard from black pastors like Jeremiah Wright and understand the roots of it, as if to say such "anger", that of being angry white people invented AIDS to kill blacks, or that Americans had 9/11 coming to them, is simply inexcusable. There is no justification in this kind of vile "anger" which to me is nothing more than a euphemism for lies. It is no more acceptable to explain this kind of hatred and respect it as it is to justify the attacks on 9/11 because of US Mid-East foreign policy, or to try to blame a rape victim because she "had it coming".

Forget this guy, I can't believe anyone with any self-respect and dignity could possibly vote for him now. I wasn't very impressed with this speech and as usual it was filled with platitudes like "hope" and "change".


(Edited by John Armaos on 3/18, 4:58pm)


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I suggest everyone read/view Obama's response to the latest controversy: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/a_more_perfect_union.html

Can you imagine Bill or Hillary giving a speech like this? Obama doesn't side-step the issue or try to blame someone else. This is a thoughtful and insightful commentary on race relations in the USA today. Of course I realize that Obama is trying to have his cake and eat it too, but what politician doesn't?
Jordan, I listened to that speech -- all 37 minutes of it -- and was extremely impressed with Obama as a speaker. Wow! No wonder people are taken with him! "Articulate"? Are you kidding me?! I expected him to be eloquent, but I was still impressed.

That said, I was also struck by the strong altruist-collectivist tone of his remarks. If for no other reason than that, I would not want him to be president.

Obama also talked about healing the racial divide in this country, as if that were a burning issue that needed to be addressed. Exactly how he proposed to do this was unclear. He said it was understandable that whites objected to affirmative action and welfare, but he criticized conservative commentators for over-stressing them. He attributed the problems in the black community -- crime, poverty, single-parent families, poor educational performance -- to a legacy of slavery, although he did say that welfare hadn't helped.

He mentioned the importance of self-help within the black community, but what he didn't do is stress the importance of self-responsibility, which I think is a neglected issue. If you tell a whole race of people that the problems they have are never their fault, that they're all due to a legacy of slavery and discrimination -- and Obama was, to a large extent, doing just that -- then you shouldn't be surprised, if they take you seriously.

The poor performance of blacks in school, for example, is due mostly to their own failure to apply themselves and far less to the quality of the education they're receiving. It's been my experience, as well as that of John McWhorter (a black professor of linquistics at U.C. Berkeley) that black students characteristically miss class, don't pay attention when they do attend, don't do their homework, and generally exhibit a "I could care less" attitude. McWhorter discusses this in his book Losing the Race: Self-Sabotage in Black America. But you'll never hear someone like Obama addressing that issue.

Obama seems to see government as the answer to nearly everything. He cited poverty and outsourcing and corporate greed, the same old liberal-Democratic refrain. He was clearly speaking to his constituency.
In the end, my fervent hope is that all three of them lose. Seeing as that isn't possible, I'd rather see Obama as President than Hillary or McCain.
Boy, I wouldn't! I'd vote for McCain before I'd vote for Obama and that's saying something, because I don't like McCain, but at least he's not as pro-government or as collectivist as Obama or Hillary Clinton.

I think Obama will be hurt by the Wright controversy among the members of his own party who now see it as a political liability in the general election. For that reason, he may not win the nomination. But I'm not sure that Hillary has a better chance of beating McCain than Obama does even if he secures the nomination. At this point, I think the general election is a toss up.




(Edited by William Dwyer on 3/18, 5:03pm)


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Forget this guy, I can't believe anyone with any self-respect and dignity could possibly vote for him now.

I have both, thanks ;)

Like I said, I dislike them all. I'm considering not voting. In the end, it doesn't really matter. California will vote Democrat no matter what. I voted for Obama against Hillary. I think McCain is worse than Obama (Robert Bidinotto makes a good case for this).

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McCain worse than Obama? I'd like to see the political analysis on that. So far Obama has promised to raise taxes and spending, and will sit down with terrorist state dictators giving what any dictator desperately seeks, a photo-op with the President of the United States as a means to gain credibility and legitimacy.

I find it hard to believe Obama is less collectivist/statist than McCain.

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This is all picking up steam........   http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/03/race-speech-oba.html

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/WalterEWilliams/2008/03/19/peace-loving_muslims
Relatedly, Walter Williams makes an interesting observation -

(Edited by robert malcom on 3/19, 5:03am)


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I watched and listened to the speech. Then I read it. It seemed to me like a typical Obama speech. Eloquent, full of flowery words and platitudes. It had something that could resonate with nearly anyone. Strong appeals to emotion, and sorely weak on clarity and government policy prescriptions.

"Farmers and scholars; statesmen and patriots who had traveled across an ocean to escape tyranny and persecution finally made real their declaration of independence at a Philadelphia convention that lasted through the spring of 1787." These men wanted to escape the tyranny of rulers. Did Obama say anything about the tyranny of our rulers?

He talked about slavery a lot. But wait. Hasn't he said that we should forget the politics of the past and focus on the politics of the future?

He condemns some remarks made by Reverend Wright, but still embraces him and his church. He understands black peoples' resentments. He understands white peoples' resentments, too. He feels about Reverend Wright like he does about his grandmother. One doesn't choose one's grandmother and her remarks were private. Not so for Reverend Wright.

"Just as black anger often proved counterproductive, so have these white resentments distracted attention from the real culprits of the middle class squeeze – a corporate culture rife with inside dealing, questionable accounting practices, and short-term greed; a Washington dominated by lobbyists and special interests; economic policies that favor the few over the many."

Exactly what is this culprit corporate culture? Note how specific Obama is when he refer to victims, but how nonspecific he is about the culprits. Don't the majority of workers do so in corporations? What about nonprofit corporations? Questionable accounting practices? Many of us know about a specific few, but are such accounting practices so endemic that it is culture-wide? And what about the questionable accounting practices of the federal government (smaller ones, too)? "... a Washington  dominated by lobbyists and special interests." Like all politicians, he embraces the lobbyists and special interests he favors and only condemns those his political opposition favor. In their speeches it's like the former are nonexistent. And what about the special interests of politicians themselves, as in pork barreling? Economic policies that favor the few over the many?  How about, for example, farm and dairy price supports, unions, public school teachers, and the purchase of health insurance (employers over individuals)?

Then there is the Ashley anecdote. Ashley's mother lost her job and her health care (presumably health insurance) due to cancer. Does Obama advocate breaking the link between employment and health insurance? No.

Like many of his speeches, it is heavily peppered with "unity."  But what exactly does it mean coming from him? You got it. It's whatever the listener believes it means, by whatever makes the listener feel good. In the world of politics and business, it's meaning is empty, except maybe government-business "partnership."

I have thought that he carefully chooses his words, specifically calculated to appeal to anyone in some way, and not to offend anyone either. Now I've come to question that. It now seems the calculation is no longer required. He has so automated it that it is subconscious.

By the way, did he use teleprompters?  Most of the time I thought so. His eye direction switched back and forth with regularity and between only two directions. At other times the timing wasn't so regular.  Or is his eye direction automated, too? Like Obama himself, it was difficult to discern.

(Edited by Merlin Jetton on 3/19, 10:47am)


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FYI - Robert Tracinski has the best analysis of the speech that I've read so far: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/the_meaning_of_obamas_speech_o.html

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Merlin excellent post! I especially enjoyed reading and strongly agree with these comments:

Like many of his speeches, it is heavily peppered with "unity." But what exactly does it mean coming from him? You got it. It's whatever the listener believes it means, by whatever makes the listener feel good


I have thought that he carefully chooses his words, specifically calculated to appeal to anyone in some way, and not to offend anyone either. Now I've come to question that. It now seems the calculation is no longer required. He has so automated it that it is subconscious.


I also think Robert Tracinski's article analyzing Obama's speech was excellent.

From the article:

At the same time that he offers this reassurance to whites, however, he offers an opposite reassurance for his black listeners, telling them that he will not entirely disown racial rabble rousers like Wright.


This was my biggest disappointment in the speech. In essence it came off to me as duplicitous and merely a political ploy to not offend anyone.



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