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Saturday, December 13, 2008 - 4:04pmSanction this postReply
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Interesting interview.  While it seemed at first blush as if Barrett Sheridan was being adversarial, when you read more closely, Sheridan is handing lines to Dr. Brook.  All in all, it came off quite well.  I think that just having the article is important.  The conservative cause has always been strong in America and despite her atheism, pro-choice, etc., Rand always plays well with them.  Atlas Shrugged is the capitalist eschatology.  So, Yaron Brook only validated what a lot of Newsweek readers believe: government intervention in the economy caused the problem; therefore, we need less regulation not more.

We always say that downturns and recessions and liquidations are good and if that is true then we are awash in virtue right now.  The so-called "Long Depression" 1878-1893 was also the Gilded Age of new inventions and new ideas, even the frontier of new science. 

Let me know when there is too much gold on the market because millions of retail holders are ditching.

(Edited by Michael E. Marotta on 12/13, 4:05pm)


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Sunday, December 14, 2008 - 5:52amSanction this postReply
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The Age of Turbulence: Adventures in a New World

Alan Greenspan (2007)

 

“Greenspan Book Laments Course of Bush and G.O.P”

 

Economic Policy – Clinton v. Bush

 

Business Cycles and Housing Bubble

 

Meet the Press

 

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“The Roots of the Mortgage Crisis” by Alan Greenspan

 

“We Will Never Have a Perfect Model of Risk” by Alan Greenspan

 

“A Response to my Critics” by Alan Greenspan

 

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Rothbard on Greenspan


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Sunday, December 14, 2008 - 12:56pmSanction this postReply
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Yaron Brook: "The current crisis was caused by the housing bubble, and the primary cause of the housing bubble was the Federal Reserve keeping interest rates at 1 percent in 2003."

It had a role, but I don't agree it was the primary cause. The primary cause was government intervention in the mortgage market. The Fed's low interest rates supported low, teaser interest rates on adjustable rate mortgages (ARM). Little thought was given to the borrower's long-run affordability of an ARM. It was assumed the borrower could easily refinance when the interest rate jumped up.

It has been a year or more since I read the Age of Turbulence. As I recall a strong theme was that Greenspan wasn't concerned about very low interest rates because he did not see wage inflation. Globalization and immigrants restrained wage increases. However, I believe Greenspan has no excuse for not acting on what was happening in the mortgage market. Banks -- the Fed's jurisdiction -- were writing mortgages in huge volumes with very lax underwriting. That the banks were securitizing them, and thereby getting them off their balance sheets, does not make the credit expansion and credit risk vanish. A credit bubble was made and it burst. This is a recurring plague of fiat money.
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Sunday, December 14, 2008 - 2:21pmSanction this postReply
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The primary cause was government intervention in the mortgage market.
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I agree - indeed, this seems so obvious, am surprised low interest was given an inflated prominence...

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Sunday, December 14, 2008 - 2:40pmSanction this postReply
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Stephen B:  Thanks for all those links.  It took a couple of hours and I did not read all the words, but it was all very much worth the effort. 

Merrill:  Not all banks are the responsibility of the Federal Reserve.  If you look at the actual structure, it is a banker's bank, which means that its customers tend to be larger entities.  Yes, what the FRB does affects what lesser banks do, but regulation of operations is someone else's responsibility.  The primary relationship is between the FRB and the US Treasury.

This is an old story, as the National Bank system was created to finance the Civil War. Taxation (10% on gross profits) effectively killed all independent banks.  The ones that opened or re-opened did so by depositing a minimum of $25,000 in gold with the Treasury, for which they received T-bonds at 6%, against which they could issue their own paper money.  Backed with their own gold on deposit in the Treasury, these banks still failed when mismanaged.


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Sunday, December 14, 2008 - 2:51pmSanction this postReply
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Yaron Brook: "The current crisis was caused by the housing bubble, and the primary cause of the housing bubble was the Federal Reserve keeping interest rates at 1 percent in 2003."

Merlin Jetton: "The primary cause was government intervention in the mortgage market. The Fed's low interest rates supported low, teaser interest rates on adjustable rate mortgages (ARM). Little thought was given to the borrower'a long-run affordability of an ARM, and it was assumed the borrower could easily refinance when the interest rate jumped up."

I sanctioned Merlin's post. But I think it is important to see that there are three elements that have to be present to arrive at our current crisis.
  • The intervention of government in the mortgage markets with the CRA and the part the government creatures named Fannie and Freddie played.
  • And it could not have happened without the hot air of fiat credit that the artificially low price of money (Greenspan's interest rates) and the inflated supply of money that kept that bubble inflating for years and years.
  • And, there is a third factor, one that isn't government, but rather human nature. Periodically, a belief visits investors that isn't completely rational - a euphoria - and it is acted upon. It was irrational to believe that housing prices could continue to go up at the rates they did, but people bought as if they would.

The first item, the CRA, was put in place to force lenders to make bad loans. Fannie and Freddie were there to buy bad loans (and good) and to repackage them to make room for more. This formed the pipeline for moving mortgages into the financial markets. It wasn't just a housing bubble but also a financial markets bubble.

But with a fixed supply of credit, there is little that would have flowed down that pipeline. Without that contribution from the Fed, it would have collapsed on its own in a much shorter period of time. The fed pushed fiat money into the pipeline where needed to pump those mortgages from buyer to lender to GSE to financial institutions. The lower than market interest rates and housing deductions helped suck more money into this pipeline.

Reality - a free market - brings euphoric buying sprees to a halt in fairly short order. But when government intervention sides with that euphoric, irrational position it has the effect of multiplying it - giving it a sense of reality it could not have acquired on its own. Government built a pipeline out of regulations to coopt sound business practices, they fueled it with cheap money and these encouraged and supported a long period of euphoric, irrational purchases.

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