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Tuesday, April 9, 2013 - 12:40pmSanction this postReply
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 Among the many symptoms of today’s moral bankruptcy, the performance of the so-called “moderates” at the Republican National Convention was the climax, at least to date. It was an attempt to institutionalize smears as an instrument of national policy—to raise those smears from the private gutters of yellow journalism to the public summit of a proposed inclusion in a political party platform. The “moderates” were demanding a repudiation of “extremism” without any definition of that term.

 Ignoring repeated challenges to define what they meant by “extremism,” substituting vituperation for identification, they kept the debate on the level of concretes and would not name the wider abstractions or principles involved. 

The "extreme social conservatives" apparently believe that homosexuals living together are not "married" and that life begins at conception. 

I think that most Americans would agree with those - or at least agree that the answers are not easy to find agreement on.  And that is my point.  These are not "extreme" ideological positions.  I am disappointed that Ed Hudgins would fall into such an error, given the canonical nature of Ayn Rand's essay "Extremism or the Art of Smearing" (1964).

  


 

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On another topic:

Fred wrote about The Iron Lady: " In her battle with the coal unions, she -instructed- the subsidized national UK science community to find a linkage damning the use of coal and promoting the use of nuclear in the UK..."


Margaret Thatcher's undergraduate degree was in chemistry.  She knew her science. And coal has long been associated with public health problems not associated with nuclear.  But your wider point is valid: all for the free market, she was also all for whatever means suited her goals.  Like Reagan, she was laudable on many grounds, but also like Reagan, not someone to whom an Objectivist would grant a blank check moral sanction.

 

The USSR would have collapsed sooner or later and only collapsed later when we stopped propping it up.  I am reading now The Science of Liberty by Timothy Ferris. Forget Klaus Fuchs and the Rosenbergs: the Russians were loading Lend Lease transport planes with boxes of copies of papers on "nuclear" this and "atomic" that. Ferris is not an Objectivist and much of his nice writing rings hollow for missing the very truth that Ayn Rand articulated so well about capitalism and intellectual freedom.  (Ferris favors "liberal democracy.")  However, he explodes the myths of Nazi German and Soviet Russian superiority in technology and science by provided an overwhelming body of facts. 
 Objecttivists who can quote chapter and verse know the idea of the "muscle-mystic" but then, as in this topic, claim that the USSR had thousands of missiles pointing at us.

(Edited by Michael E. Marotta on 4/09, 12:47pm)


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Tuesday, April 9, 2013 - 1:54pmSanction this postReply
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Michael,

Your post #20 seems very muddled. You start with a quote from Ayn Rand's essay "Extremism or the Art of Smearing" (1964) where she was exposing the moderate republicans of the time for lumping people who were strongly in favor of capitalism and liberty with the KKK - as if they were equivalent forms of "extremism" and of using the "extreme" as if it were wrong, in itself, without even being defined or explained.

The year was 1964 and the context was Goldwater's run for president. He was smeared by the democrats and the moderate republicans. Remember his reply? "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."

Then you turn to implying the Ed is doing something similar to what Rand was accusing the moderate Republicans of in 1964. But that isn't the case at all.

Then you bring in some statistics that make it appear that the majority of the Americans agree with the social conservatives (I don't buy into those statistics and would like to see the wording of the questions asked).

And what does that have to do with the points Ed was making?

"Extreme" is word with a valid meaning and one that is not always a smear. You would understand what I meant if I said that it was extremely cold outside.

"Extreme social conservatives" are those whose political positions are formed almost exclusively by Christian beliefs as drawn from a fairly literal interpretation of the Bible.

The only things I can take away from your post is that you are accusing Ed of engaging in an unfair act of smearing social conservatives by using the word "extreme" - which is silly, and that the use of the word "extreme" is out of place in the phrase "extreme social conservative" - which is not true.
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==== Here is the Bottom Line of Ed's Piece ====

People who believe the bible should be interpreted literally and that those interpretations should be made into law are not the people that the GOP should want to keep - that the GOP should be encouraged to move towards libertarian positions and this will be more effectively accomplished if it isn't also the party of the Religious Right.

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Sunday, April 14, 2013 - 7:41amSanction this postReply
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Michael:

re: Margaret Thatcher's undergraduate degree was in chemistry. She knew her science.


She might have known her science, but if she did, she totally threw it out the window when she provided the answer first and then instructed the UK funded scientific machinery to find the argument.

Political science, maybe. But that wasn't science.

Not any science I'm familiar with.

regards,
Fred



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