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Friday, April 1, 2016 - 6:00pmSanction this postReply
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Reminded me a little bit of astrology - where the astrologist writes a fortune or prediction or personality description that is kind of one-size fits all - and that is how their descriptions of "Empathizer" and "Systemitizer" struck me. 

 

I see it as more psuedo-science than real science. 

 

Of course there is some kind of causal factor that explains a person's musical likes and dislikes (or a set of causal factors), but this is too simplistic and another case of statistical correlation voodoo mixed with fuzzy descriptions.  I wonder where the researchers started.  Did they first decide that relative amounts of electrical brain activity in a given area of the brain would correlate with musical tastes?  And then, take those areas that were statistically highlighted and try to map them to the pop-psychology tags (empathizer or systemitizer)?  And then did they work out a behavioral cause-effect scheme where the individual was conditioned by hormone releases common to those brain areas?

 

The trend is to go simplistic and without any depth of understanding of foundational principles or intelligent definitions of key terms and still think it is scientific because it is dressed up as empirical research.

 

There is still no appreciation for how deeply symbolic our mental/emotional processes are, nor how complex the many layers of 'sub-routines' that control even simple conscious processes.  And whatever the connections are between our likes and dislikes in music they aren't going to be as simplistic as those researchers think.



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Sunday, April 3, 2016 - 9:35amSanction this postReply
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What he said.  I disliked everything, some (Hendrix, Guns and Roses) extremely, most just moderately (Joni Mitchell, Neil Young).  I got "balanced."

 

The way this is supposed to work is you have some previous test that you know to be good. Then, you try your new test against it.  Just polling 15,000 people is not sufficient.  Moreover, using well-known works by famous artists is contaminated by time and place of learning.  "That was our favorite song..." It would have been better to have less well-known examples.  I do not know all of Beethoven (or Tschaikowsky or Wagner, ...)  I get some of them confused - not across composers, of course, but within the corpus. But even if I hear something new to me, I am pretty good at the composer, if it is a composer I know.  However, in this generation, the musicologists have been unearthing many ignored works and composers. That's just for "classical." So, those lesser known works would have been better examples. Of course, there was no "classical" just pop and rock.  On that basis, this "test" could have been done as a True-False survey, without the sound bites.

 

Like Steve said: Astrology.

 

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I went back and followed the link and took the "Musical Engagement Style" of the Musical Universe Test. It was not much better. In my comments I called it "flawed."  When at a performance, I am not emotionally engaged with the audience.  At a concert (or movie) I tend to dislike the people around me whose shallow responses are noise.  However, I do respond to the musicians.  The Musical Universe Test asked if you play an instrument.  I do not (now).  It also asks about formal musical training.  I said 3 years, but it was more like 6, really.  My point is that I can relate to the musicians, but not the audience.  I scored a perfect 20 on that scale. 

 

(Edited by Michael E. Marotta on 4/03, 9:56am)



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Monday, April 4, 2016 - 1:27pmSanction this postReply
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Wolfer and Marotta agree on something.  Someone in hell is singing... "do you wanna build a snowman, it doesn't have to be a snowman."

 

teeheehee



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Monday, April 4, 2016 - 3:33pmSanction this postReply
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Whoops!  How'd that happen?

 



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Wednesday, April 6, 2016 - 10:07pmSanction this postReply
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Never thought I'd see the day!



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