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Post 40

Tuesday, January 6, 2009 - 1:54amSanction this postReply
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Mark, your tone has changed and I don't have a sense of you responding with the civility you showed me earlier or the degree of openness and honesty in attending to what my posts said. I'm happy to let anyone reading these decide if that's the case.

My remark about you embarrassing yourself was intended to be sharp, but not rude. Rand was talking about governments defending against governments and there just wasn't any reasonable way to twist that as you did.

My sense is that you have an agenda going with FDR (and that is fine, because he is a first class villain in my book), but you stray into areas I'm not interested in and make claims about Rand's positions that aren't supported.

Personally, I think you would get more traction if you didn't attempt to enlist Rand, by stretching her quotes beyond what they cover, and just blast away at FDR without the Rand/War issues. You loose credibility with me when you take the path you are following. But, like they say, "Up to you."



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Tuesday, January 6, 2009 - 4:27amSanction this postReply
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Mark wrote:

The second of Stephen’s links goes to a page of an RoR discussion dated about a year ago entitled: ‘‘Foreign Policy and Self-Defense: Bidinotto’s Facts.’’ Stephen there wrote: ‘‘... I had always remembered Rand’s discussion of active man v. passive man in that Reader’s Digest piece as applauding the active man for his contribution to the war, specifically to the liberation of Europe.’’ Comment: This is, as I gather you (Stephen) came to realize, a misremembrance. It’s totally mistaken.


Yes.

 

Ted,

I hope that a challenging viewpoint such as Marks in this thread is not put into the Dissent channel. There is not some single view on particulars of US foreign policy that is uniquely consistent with Objectivism as a philosophy. That goes for particular views of Ayn Rand on the issues that came up for America in her time as well. Just because she took a particular stand on what we should do about the Pueblo incident or about the situation in Algeria does not mean that anyone who took a different view was necessarily dissenting from Objectivism. Mark’s views are contrary to the majority of RoR participants who express their views about foreign policy issues, but his views expressed here are not per se a dissent from Objectivism.


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Tuesday, January 6, 2009 - 11:19amSanction this postReply
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Some good faith as well as civility is a minimum.

Dissent does not at all preclude discussion.

It is one thing to have one's own pacifist foreign policy, it is another to attribute
it to Rand, and even worse to attribute it to Rand using quotes out of context.

I begin to question the reliability of ARI Watch as a source.



(Edited by Ted Keer on 1/06, 12:36pm)


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