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Monday, September 3, 2007 - 6:52pmSanction this postReply
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Why isn't this posted under submit a "Riddle?"

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Monday, September 3, 2007 - 6:57pmSanction this postReply
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Well, depends what the rule is.  I went with "add 7, then add 3, then add 7, then add 3..."  But, there could be other answers.

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Monday, September 3, 2007 - 7:25pmSanction this postReply
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I'm going to pull a Phil Coates here, and promise to explain the poll...later. I didn't know there was a riddle option, but this is actually more of a poll anyway...

Ted

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Monday, September 3, 2007 - 7:27pmSanction this postReply
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Note that the question does not state that we are dealing with numbers.

1. The first two items are arbitrary characters.
2. The third item doubles the first.
3. Thereafter, the next item is the concatenation of the preceeding two.

The answer: 811

Followed by: 1118, 18811, 8111118, ...

Or at least that's a possible explanation. :-)

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Monday, September 3, 2007 - 7:51pmSanction this postReply
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the answer is 21
1+9= 10
8+2=10
11+9=20
18+2=20
21+9=30
28+2=30
31+9=40
38+2=40





(Edited by Ciro D'Agostino on 9/03, 8:29pm)


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Monday, September 3, 2007 - 8:48pmSanction this postReply
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the answer could also be -----
1,8,11,18,[111]......

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Monday, September 3, 2007 - 9:26pmSanction this postReply
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Robert, I think I see your reasoning, can you make it explicit?

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Monday, September 3, 2007 - 10:49pmSanction this postReply
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it's 1, then 8, then +10 on each, then +100... so the next'd be 118......;-)

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Tuesday, September 4, 2007 - 5:49amSanction this postReply
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Robert, I thought that you were interpreting the symbols as binary, with 1 replacing 0 and 8 replacing 1.

Ted

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Tuesday, September 4, 2007 - 9:45amSanction this postReply
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That is yet another way to look at it - the thing is, there are many answers to it, thus is indeterminative

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Tuesday, September 4, 2007 - 11:24amSanction this postReply
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This question was more of a "test" for my own purposes to see what answers I would get than a poll. I intentionally chose a sequence where I knew that multiple answers could be given. The apparently "obvious" answer is not the "correct" one here - according to my arbitrary "criterion." Since it's rather frivolous I'll reveal my "criterion" tomorrow (to give a few more the chance to answer, if they like, and then we can get a better poll question up and running.

Ted

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Tuesday, September 4, 2007 - 2:24pmSanction this postReply
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The answer is '42' :-)

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Tuesday, September 4, 2007 - 5:16pmSanction this postReply
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Very good, Eric.....;-)

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Tuesday, September 4, 2007 - 6:21pmSanction this postReply
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When someone tells me they have a question, I often blurt out "42." I've yet to have even one person understand what I'm referring to...which is why I keep blurting it out, in the hope that someone does.

Oh, and I've never read the book. One of my daughters explained to me why 42 is the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe and everything...

...All in good fun.


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Tuesday, September 4, 2007 - 6:41pmSanction this postReply
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Too short for a sanction, but yes, that was funny, Erik.

Bob, skip the movie and get the BBC miniseries.

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Tuesday, September 4, 2007 - 7:34pmSanction this postReply
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You know that there is comic astuteness when people know what '42' means without even mentioning its source. Impressive, guys. I DO need to see the mini series, Ted. I enjoyed the book tremendously. I remember reading somewhere that Adams was a great admirer of Wodehouse. I can see some of the quick wit and English deadpan Wodehouse was famous for in Adams' books. What did you think of the movie remake? So, I'm not the only one who'll give '42' as a random answer a question too :-) Got some comic brilliance in this forum

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Tuesday, September 4, 2007 - 8:12pmSanction this postReply
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The BBC miniseries followed the Doctor Who philosophy of the importance of good writing over fancy special effects. Adams actually wrote some great episodes for Doctor Who during its Tom Baker golden age. The movie was the antithesis, special effects at the expense of story. I would suggest that people who have not seen the movie not do so until they have seen the miniseries. I cannot recommend the movie, except perhaps as being better than Independence Day or Mars Attacks.

Ted Keer

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Tuesday, September 4, 2007 - 9:12pmSanction this postReply
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To me Tom Baker IS the only Dr. Who. He was born for that part.

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Tuesday, September 4, 2007 - 9:28pmSanction this postReply
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I do oppose gay marriage, but will you do me the exception, Erik?

(Edited by Ted Keer on 9/05, 6:02pm)


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Wednesday, September 5, 2007 - 4:06pmSanction this postReply
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There are four plausible answers which I can see to this question, namely 21, 80, 81, and indeterminable. I would argue that indeterminable would be the best answer, given that there are valid reasons to choose more than one of the other answers.

21 is a plausible answer for the reasons given by Laure and Ciro, which amount to the same relation expressed in different ways.

81 is plausible if one assumes that the sequence is based upon those numerals, in numerical order, which are comprised of the digits 1 and 8 alone, to the exclusion of 0,2,3,4,5,6,7 & 9.

But the algorithm by which I derived the sequence was to list in numerical order those numbers which begin with vowels in their English spelling. Hence, the next number (or, better, word) in the sequence after eighteen is eighty. As of this post, I am the only person (with inside knowledge, obviously!) who chose that answer.

Why did I post this "survey"? I was recently asked my opinion of IQ tests, to which I answered that many so-called intelligence tests have questions with more than one possible answer, and that if one is ingenious enough, one can often outthink the question. I remember specifically a test of this sort given in my high school to which I and about 20% of the respondents gave what was considered a wrong answer. I remember arguing the case and having the results changed.

I have also come across such "brain-twister" questions asking which of the following items does not belong in the list. Typically, four out of five of the items will be verbs, one a noun, four will begin with a consonant, one with a vowel, four will be native English words, one will be a borrowing from French, and so forth, with the "not-belonging" item differing according to each criterion.

I designed this question purposefully to have a non-mathematical criterion, namely English spelling, on the assumption that I would be able to find some other criterion or criteria - and the answers of the poll show that there were two other possible answers, and that epistemologically, only "indeterminable" was truly valid.

My thanks to those who have been willing "test subjects."

Ted Keer

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