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Thursday, July 29 - 9:34pmSanction this postReply
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I voted "much worse", since I'll be dead then, and that is a downgrade from my current status. That's the only relevant metric I can come up with here, since I haven't the slightest idea of how things will be for people alive then, or have any idea what the sensibilities of the average person will be like then, and no one else has any idea either.

So, trying to decide if the average person will like the average conditions in a far distant date where you can't possibly know what either of those averages entails, is completely futile.

"Much different" is pretty much a given, so that's a safe answer, though perhaps so obvious as to be uninteresting.



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Thursday, July 29 - 11:29pmSanction this postReply
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I would say much better. Of course, I'm banking on the fact that Objectivism or something very close to it will have been accepted by the majority of people as their philosophy.



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Saturday, July 31 - 8:21amSanction this postReply
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Thanks, Jim and Bill.  Thanks, also, Jim for this:  "I  voted "much worse", since I'll be dead then, and that is a downgrade from my current status."  There is a lot to that relative to other discussions here and I will remind you of your words later.  But you are right.  We cannot do much about this.  It is only an open question for discussion.  We never have enough responses to actually measure anything.

Myself, I expect it to be much better, but, really, just the same only moreso.  I compared life in 1010 to today.  Well, OK, life where?  I mean in 1010, China was interesting, even if Europe was not.  The Mayans were gone, the Aztecs not yet arrived.  Well, there was Baghdad....

So, you look at that and look at today and then imagine tomorow.

I expect that humans will populate the solar system.  What "human" means might not meet today's definitions.  We speak of a successful person being "self-made" but that will take on even deeper meanings as people design bodily organs to do things we cannot imagine or cannot imagine doing with a bodily organ.  (It would take a pressure cooker to make the acid in your stomach, except that your stomach does with no pressure and very little heat, mostly via enzymes.)  Think of orbiting Callisto or Triton and ingesting debris like a whale sucking in krill for raw materials and processing them into things to trade with others. 

I agree with Bill that Objectivism will have replaced religion about 900 years before 3010.  But 900 years later, we will be arguing over new problems.  (Philosophers may not be, though: consider the arguments here right out of the middle ages.)  Politics as we know it will be dead.  Imagine trying to explain our system to some knights and priests from Normandy -- You guys started this when you invaded England.  But negotiating alliances person to person, cluster to cluster, that, will remain.  Some things are eternal:  Do you have a right to build  a ring around the sun?  A sphere?  Can we get a consensus out to the Kuiper Belt and encapsulate the sun, say, out to Mars? 

Meanwhile on Earth ...  In a 1000 years...  the continental shelves, the sea floors, the seas, the antarctic, under the antarctic... humans will be settled everywhere and will have made modifications to themselves to enable that. 

Along the way ... Imagine that everyone can be internally connected at once, like being online but in your head.  But you would want some way to block that out ... if it was legal -- and especially if it was not.  When you do see that as a conflict?  Within 100 years?  Maybe.  So, being off-planet might be the best chance to literally "know your own mind."  Individualism will be stronger off planet than on because those distances limit the effectiveness of the speed of light.  It's like 8 light hours across the orbit of Pluto.  The thing is with electro magnetic radiation is that when you "see" it it has arrived.  So, that can be interesting, like when we had to invent time zones for train travel.  It was unexpected and hard to explain before the fact.  I think that within the next generation Earth will have one time.  China does already.  The nation crosses five zones, but has one universal time.  What the clock says when you get up is arbitrary, really.  We will be on UTZ by 2050 if not sooner.  In 1000 years, all clocks will be on the same standard system wide.

(Edited by Michael E. Marotta on 7/31, 8:26am)




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Saturday, July 31 - 10:43amSanction this postReply
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What does "The same, only more so." even mean?

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Sunday, August 1 - 11:25amSanction this postReply
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What does "The same, only more so." even mean?

Literally the phrase makes no sense, because something can't be even more like itself than it already is.

Figuratively, it means like an exaggerated version of how things are now -- someone who is even more of a smooth liar than Obama running up $10T annual deficits, congress having an approval rating not just in the low single digits, but somewhere under 1%, yet with a 95% reelection rate for the particular scoundrels representing any given district, things like that.

Sanctioned Michael's post #2, since 1000 years from now things will likely be so unrecognizably different -- imagine being tossed unceremoniously into 1010 AD in England and trying to fit in, and trying to not be tossed into the loony bin or drawn and quartered and burned at the stake for letting slip some heresy about what life will be like in 2010 -- the current rulers all tossed out in 1066 by those Norman swine, the divine right of kings itself discredited and people electing their own rulers, the earth rotating around the sun and the sun itself being an insignificant ball of thermonuclear gas among countless trillions of other suns, weapons that can be flung to anywhere in the world with a touch of a finger and so powerful that a single one can kill every living thing for miles around, women and blacks being equal to white men, an entire New World a few month's sailing off to the West, horseless carriages that even the most lowly serfs can own that can move at over 100 MPH ...

Now, extrapolate into the future with a rate of change where even the rate is going up exponentially ...
(Edited by Jim Henshaw on 8/01, 11:29am)




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Sunday, August 1 - 4:17pmSanction this postReply
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Define "better" and "worse."

Mr. Henshaw has it half right. First, there's absolutely no way to make an even educated guess, hence it would be arbitrary. Second, the criteria for "better" and "worse" are likely so vague here, and possibly subjective, that even a wild guess would be meaningless.

Still, it is interesting to speculate about the future.



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Sunday, August 1 - 4:56pmSanction this postReply
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Based on the past, the future will be better... in general, but not equally among all, nor in all areas...



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Monday, August 2 - 3:57pmSanction this postReply
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Part of the problem is trying to understand whether "better" or "worse" applies to people with our sense of the good life, or the possibly drastically changed perception of what that would mean for people in a thousand years. I think if you threw someone from 1010 AD into 2010 AD, the culture shock alone might make them unhappy for a while, yet once they got acclimated some might like it.

Throw an outdoorsy person from even 150 years ago into a modern city or even suburb, and they might be miserable despite a vastly increased standard of living.

Basically, the average human genome is evolving to catch up with the technological changes, though with a severe lag due to the accelerating pace of technological change versus the much slower rate of change for a human population buffered by almost 7 billion individuals spread out in a vast array of ecological niches.

For example, the ability to drive a car at the high speeds on our highways is killing people and eliminating them from the gene pool, people who would have done fine back when horses were the fastest means of transportation. The ability to resist the temptation to gorge oneself on food is another selective pressure in First World countries.
(Edited by Jim Henshaw on 8/02, 3:59pm)




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Monday, August 2 - 4:21pmSanction this postReply
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The difference, however, is in our generation, there has been good use of science fiction, to the extent of visualizing possibilities of the future and vast changes - something not explored much in those older times..



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Friday, August 6 - 7:43pmSanction this postReply
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The 'same only more so', appears to be a most average view. Were that possible with out distraction the philosopher kingdom would prosper and flourish as any being interested in designing triangles with three sticks would be allowed to do so.  
The statement 'the same" implies a stasis that is not chemically possible given the human condition. To remain the same defies both creativity and evolution.
'Much different' allows the fact that anything can and will happen . How much different will be obvious by the constructs of the human mind and psyche as certain sentients will always attempt to define reality for the rest of the populace benefit.   
"Much worse" Implies  a condition where another force is abrogating a false arguement
"Much better" implies the power of free speech and social learning .




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Monday, August 9 - 10:35pmSanction this postReply
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This is just the most recent in many open-ended polls over the years.  Others are specific, listing 10 politicians or whatever. But in this case, the answer is pretty much whatever you want it to be.  That's the question: who are you?

Some people are optimistic, others pessimistic, or realistic, and among us are the  oppositional-defiant. 




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