Rebirth of Reason

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Sunday, August 22, 2004 - 3:26pmSanction this postReply
one of the things i find most disturbing is the continued attempt to connect a 'morals' clause to violence... that is erroneous, because there is no contexting... violence simply is, an aspect of living beings, found among ALL living beings...what the violence is about makes for the moral clause, which makes asimov's statement wrong...true, in the sense that competent equates the good - but it doesn't, so it is still wrong, and jerry's retort holds proper water...

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Thursday, October 7, 2004 - 12:06pmSanction this postReply
He also (by the same token) said "Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right".  That is, commit violence, if it is the right thing to do, and even if it offends your sense of morals.

I see the two statements as conflicting.  But then, strictly speaking, neither statement is Asimov's, but statements made by characters created by him.  Hence, on another forum, I have my signature as the quote I mention above, but attribute it to Salvor Hardin, the charcter who actually said it.

So maybe Asimov didn't really believe that violence is the last resort of the incompetent, he just created a character in his books that believed that. 

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Tuesday, November 9, 2004 - 10:37pmSanction this postReply
In 2002-2003, I worked as a security guard.  Our employee handbook -- which we endorsed upon employment -- said as Rule One: When faced with aggression, retreat.

Sometimes the other guy finds you incompetent.  You have no time to think, and you resort to (minimum required) force.  One of our guards was confronted by an armed attacker.  Bob pulled his gun, aimed and said, "Sir, please, don't make me kill you!"  That was enough. The conflict evaporated.  Bob's success at non-violence came from the totality of his presence, not from the gun.  He always projected competence and confidence; it clearly came from within.  Sweating and waving the gun would have guaranteed at least one corpse in that situation.

In our training, we learned that there are many kinds of conflict.  Often, the subject is in conflict with himself: emotional, drunk, etc. It is hard to reason with someone in such a state.  Still, the burden is on the rational man.  We learned that 95% of communicaton is non-verbal.  Saying the right words involves how you say it, your body language, tone of voice, etc.  A perfectly competent security officer never resorts to violence.

Best of all is being able to plan ahead, predict the conflicts, and avoid them, ameliorate them, or resolve them before they happen to you.

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