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Personally, I do not hate this; and I do not hate Lady Gaga, though I do not like her, either; but I do note that she seems not to understand the meanings of words.

(1) And the truth is ...
We have an assertion of truth

(2) there's only one thing in the world that I really, really hate. ... Money.
The only thing she hates is money.

(3) only one thing I hate more than money ... and that's the truth.
This contradicts 2 and invalidates 1 above.

This could be clever, similar to Francisco d'Anconia's, "I never deny anything."

According to Wikipedia here, she actually has talent, having garnered notice from artists and awards from the industry. They liken her "outre" or "glam" style to those of David Bowie and Elton John, among others. I note that as lilttle as I know, mere exposure via CNN and Reuters tells me that her recent hit, "Born this Way," is received as a message of validation and self-empowerment. Kids need that.

How much of Lady Gaga is StefaniGermanotta and how much is the production team is not clear.
Bad Romance here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrO4YZeyl0I
Born This Way here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV1FrqwZyKw
Close your eyes and decide. I buy stacks of CDs for a dollar each from unknowns and alot of them sing this well or better. But success in show business is as much a matter of production concept and that might be what she really brings to this.

(Edited by Michael E. Marotta on 5/13, 9:03am)

Post 1

Friday, May 13, 2011 - 11:19am

I hate the Fed and its destruction of the US economy through its inflationary and bailout practices... I could say that I hate the USD, and hence "I hate some money". But Lady Gaga is not a philosopher, and in this short clip from her performance I'd not take too much meaning from this phrase.

"I hate the truth" taken by itself is postmodern. I'm not really sure what she meant by saying it.

But might I give you my little review of Lada Gaga?

Lady Gaga is original, and refreshing. In a time when most pop music is repetitive recycled notes from the previous hits and lyrics that seem to have been written by mindless zombies (see Cold Play post 1st album), Lady Gaga comes out with distinctive notes and rememberable lyrics.

Lady Gaga's first album is kind of like:
1. In your face to the PC.
2. I'm going to do what I want, and I don't care what you think.
3. Explorations of the differences between men & women in relationships & love.

Compare Lady Gaga & Britney Spears. I'd say that Gaga is self made, self confident, self directed success, and has become successful. Spears is naturally beautiful but hasn't taken good care of herself, poor self confidence, she dances and sings what others tell her to, and I'm not sure if you could call her successful.

I like Lady Gaga so far... she is pretty good as far as pop stars go. :)
(Edited by Dean Michael Gores on 5/13, 11:21am)

Post 2

Friday, May 13, 2011 - 2:23pm

Trouble is, dress up a pile of "whatever" in "outre" or "glam" style, you still end up with essentially a pile of "whatever". I much prefer a diamond in the rough. Lady Gaga is, at most, original packaging, not original content.

Post 3

Friday, May 13, 2011 - 5:03pm

Dean,

I disagree with you here.

Ed

Post 4

Saturday, May 14, 2011 - 3:30am

Original isn't a value in itself. Cosmetic distortions may be original, but they add zero value to one's life, if life is the goal.

Post 5

Saturday, May 14, 2011 - 7:11am

"If creative fiction writing is a process of translating an abstraction into the concrete, there are three possible grades of such writing; translating an old (known) abstraction (theme or thesis) through the medium of old fiction means, 9that is, characters, events or situations used before for that same purpose, that same translation)�this is the most of the popular trash; translating an old abstraction through new, original fiction means�this is most of the good literature; creating a new, original abstraction and translating it through new, original means....(A fourth possibility�translating a new abstraction through old means�is impossible, by definition: if the abstraction is new, there can be no means used by anybody else before to translate it.)"

Post 6

Saturday, May 14, 2011 - 1:16pm

This could be a wry way of saying she likes money ... dunno if she's smart enough to be that witty.

Post 7

Saturday, May 14, 2011 - 4:18pm

To me, honestly, the worse thing about her is the fact that Gaga isn't a phony hack. She has real talent, but chooses to be a hack with it.

Post 8

Saturday, May 14, 2011 - 4:23pm

Teresa I agree. She does have talent but she doesn't appear to want to use it once she started calling herself Lady GaGa:

Post 9

Saturday, May 14, 2011 - 6:37pm

If she is making way more money as what you describe as a "hack" than she did playing a conventional style, isn't the wealth a feature, not a bug, if she values that more than the respect of people like Teresa or John? Why should she sacrifice a lot of money to make music that you two like?

Post 10

Saturday, May 14, 2011 - 8:41pm

Jim, what a rude post!

Do you think simply making money for the sake of making money itself is a virtue? What if I made a book that promotes communism, and I made a lot of money. Is that a virtue? Money is a means not an end, didn't you read Atlas Shrugged?

"But money is only a tool. It will take you wherever you wish, but it will not replace you as the driver. It will give you the means for the satisfaction of your desires, but it will not provide you with desires. Money is the scourge of the men who attempt to reverse the law of causality � the men who seek to replace the mind by seizing the products of the mind.

"Money will not purchase happiness for the man who has no concept of what he wants; money will not give him a code of values, if he's evaded the knowledge of what to value, and it will not provide him with a purpose, if he's evaded the choice of what to seek. Money will not buy intelligence for the fool, or admiration for the coward, or respect for the incompetent.

And, I certainly don't think she has any obligation to make art that I like Jim. I NEVER made such a claim. She's free to do whatever she wants. Don't read anything more into what I said Jim, she's got talent, but she's not using it. Don't project things onto me I never said or suggested.

Post 11

Sunday, May 15, 2011 - 5:33am

John, nice catch in 8. Thanks for that. She surely has real talent as a composer and performer. I expect that she will go through other transformations after her Lady Gaga phase.

Post 12

Sunday, May 15, 2011 - 5:47pm