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Thursday, April 2, 2009 - 6:57pmSanction this postReply
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Those Frenchies, lovers, not fighters and always up for a party ... like when the Germans come to visit!


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Thursday, April 2, 2009 - 6:58pmSanction this postReply
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Wonderfully delightful... tho it would have been even better if humans were used instead of humanoids...

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Friday, April 3, 2009 - 4:43amSanction this postReply
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It was sexy, indeed, but you can appreciate that it would have been difficult to have the clothes ripped off a human female (the panda) and was that a camel or a giraffe squeezing her melons?

With humans, it might not have been as compelling, in the same sense that a low-cut gown is more alluring than bare boobs.

In an anthopology class, I asked about the Nuie and other tropical people who are generally naked in real life.  Why don't they spend all their time having sex, because if we were to take our clothes off right now, it wouldn't take long...   "It's the tilt of the head and the come-hither look," replied the prof.

So, I guess the bottom line (ahem) is context.  (See, also, "Lingerie Football.")

(Edited by Michael E. Marotta on 4/03, 4:46am)


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Friday, April 3, 2009 - 7:54amSanction this postReply
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I personally think the ad is imaginative and fun.

That said... and to underline a point from a different thread*....

It would be just as easy for someone else to interpret that this ad is outrageous - promotes irresponsible sexuality, by using cartoon animals it deliberately targets children, endorses frivolity over hard work, undermines the goals of protecting wild species, shows a total disregard for health issues such as diabetes or gum diseases, etc., etc....

*Article Discussion:Letter to American Association of Blood Banks. Please don't let me hijack this thread - go there if you'd like to critique my comments.

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Friday, April 3, 2009 - 8:00amSanction this postReply
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In an anthopology class, I asked about the Nuie and other tropical people who are generally naked in real life. Why don't they spend all their time having sex, because if we were to take our clothes off right now, it wouldn't take long... "It's the tilt of the head and the come-hither look," replied the prof.
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Tangent - you don't have that problem at nudist resorts either, so it more shows the mental state of those who claim such would happen than reality.........

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Friday, April 3, 2009 - 12:45pmSanction this postReply
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nudists...

Robert, is that why you're hovering in the lower corner of your photo??

:-)

jt

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Friday, April 3, 2009 - 1:06pmSanction this postReply
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Haha - actually, that was because the camera was poorly set for an auto-photo [or I was in the wrong place for a more centered look]... seeing it, decided looked well enough to provide such interesting comments as you just did ...;-)

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Saturday, April 4, 2009 - 4:37pmSanction this postReply
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I went to the local Islamic Center of Orange County this past Sunday to hear their actual take on human rights, and because I've had virtually no real contact with Muslims and wanted a first-hand experience, and finally, because I hoped to get the local Muslim community involved in the "Teach-In On Torture" I've been working on together with a crew of local activists. 

The program was entitled "Know Your Legal Rights" and the speakers were mostly left-wing, it became clear.  However, the hosts did stress on the outset and again later in the program how much they appreciated the right to present this kind of program, which they could not have done in many of their countries of origin.  They all made some kind of reference to their love of the U.S. and the freedoms they enjoyed here.  When I later examined a glossy magazine put out by the local Mosques, I immediately found an article defending the Bill of Rights, including the right to say things insulting to their faith - because they had the right to answer...  Not exactly how the media portrays Islam.

Here's my report back to the contact I had with a Muslim organizer from CAIR, as well as to our Committee:

Dear Mr. Mowjood,

I have taken the liberty to forward this email to the other members of our ad hoc committee to put on a "Teach-In on Torture," focussing on the various legal positions and actions largely initiated by the Bush Administration which appear to violate both the Constitution and international law, as well as basic human rights. 

Thanks to Sharon Tipton for providing the info on the "Know Your Rights" presentation at the Islamic Center.  Four of us from our group - the Teach-in on Torture Ad Hoc Committee - attended, including Roger and me. On entering building, I was almost immediately introduced to Sharaf Mowjood of CAIR (Council on American-Islamic Relations), to whom I briefly outlined what we are doing.  I also spoke with a reporter from the L.A. Times who wants to be kept up to date.

I think that we should consider the possibility of networking with CAIR or other Islamic organizations regarding the Teach-In.  Not only can we quite possibly get a much larger participation, but we will be including the group that has been most often targetted by the Bush Administration measures that we are exposing.  Always nice to be able to include the victims when you're protesting a crime.

I was pleasantly impressed with the entire atmosphere of the Islamic Center, BTW, and I encourage anyone who has an interest in getting to know this culture to consider attending other relevant events there.  I noticed that everyone was extremely polite, even the small children, of whom there were several present.  As a former Montessori director, I look to children and their behavior for clues to the parents and their culture.

I was amazed at how well behaved and contented these children seemed. They did not seem at all repressed, and were quite open about engaging adults.  In the row of chairs in front of me there was a tiny - probably two-year-old - girl in her father's arms - who was singling out other people in the audience with her gaze and then audaciously flirting with them, just using her eyes and face.  (She will be dangerous in a decade or two.)  I think that the event yesterday got over 200 people, although I confess not attempting a count.

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Later, I thought about the fact that even though most of the women were wearing the long dresses and scarves, this did nothing to diminish their attractiveness.  If anything, by forcing attention to the face and hands, it was more sexy than if they wore typical Western women's garb that focusses all the attention on the breasts and butt. 

Lillian Reardon was supposed to be quite attractive, and one could imagine her with a great figure, which would completely bely her real (dis)value as a person - basically a sociopath.  Focussing on the face means focussing on the individuality of the person.  I'm sure that that little two-year-old had picked up her behavior from a mother who knew exactly how to use face, hands and eyes to defeat any man.  Think Harlow or Garbo.

Of course, some women manage quite well regardless of clothing or not.  Pure sensuality can be a delight in itself, as in the French Orangina commercial, which I think I've watched a dozen times now. 


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Saturday, April 4, 2009 - 5:33pmSanction this postReply
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Later, I thought about the fact that even though most of the women were wearing the long dresses and scarves, this did nothing to diminish their attractiveness.  If anything, by forcing attention to the face and hands, it was more sexy than if they wore typical Western women's garb that focusses all the attention on the breasts and butt.

The same point is made about men in suits.  Its enclosure of form forces you to see the face. 
... and nice engagement wit the Muslims, there...  hope it works out to everyone's advantage.

(Edited by Michael E. Marotta on 4/04, 5:33pm)


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Sunday, April 5, 2009 - 1:45pmSanction this postReply
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How I found the Orangina video:

I don't have time to surf U-tube, and 90% of the time that someone sends me or links to a U-tube vid, I never have the time to watch it.  This time, however, several people on the local Yahoo groups furry site were raving about it.  I'm sure that the last thing that most people would associate with objectivism would be furries, who have been portrayed in the media as about as subjectivist and irrational as possible.

As usual, based on all the many times that I have observed media coverage first hand, the media got it largely wrong.  Both rational and irrational subjectivist furries are attracted to furrydom by the freedom that it supports to redefine who you are and experiment safely with changing who you are, either temporarilly or long-term.  Otherwise rational people, who are repressed emotionally and have little physical contact with other humans - something that is a natural to us, but which our puritanical culture has largely forbidden - often find the furry experience to be quite liberating. 

Plus, a lot of furries are simply artists  - think Disney, Warner, Pixar - and going to furry parties is a natural thing for them as doing anthropomorphic art is their life.  And, of course, there is the science fiction connection, and that implies the computer nerd connection.  Think Second Life.  Your typical furry is a sf fan, a computer nerd, and either an artist or a programmer of software used for visual arts or 3D simulations for video or movies.

That means a very high level of intellectual sophistication and some damn good conversations at the furry parties - including insight into the latest cutting edge tech.  And, they are a lot of fun.  Naturally they would rave about this video.


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Saturday, April 11, 2009 - 12:56pmSanction this postReply
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This time, however, several people on the local Yahoo groups furry site were raving about it. (Phil)

I'm not surprised; when I watched it, "furry art" immediately came to mind.

It's a great idea, and a cute commercial, but like Robert, I would've preferred it with humans. Furry art kind of creeps me out, even if "furries" are, according to Phil, nice and intelligent people. (Sorry, Phil.)


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