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Tuesday, December 22, 2009 - 7:49pmSanction this postReply
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That was most eloquent, Teresa.

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Tuesday, December 22, 2009 - 8:15pmSanction this postReply
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I was there in the early 60's, and to see Crowder's video was depressing, that such a place was allowed to become like that without any uprising...

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Wednesday, December 23, 2009 - 5:22amSanction this postReply
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The problems are more complicated than that.  While the unions and the governments did not help, neither did they descend in a spaceship.  Detroit's "reform" mayors go back to Hazen Pingree (1890-1896). 
Certainly a colorful figure, and a favorite with progressives today, Pingree is famous for his battles against entrenched interests including both the streetcar monopoly and the school board.  Separating style from substance – “Ping’s Potato Patches” are a good example – is at once difficult and perhaps unnecessary.  Hendrickson and Woodford agree that the public garden plots probably had no measurable effect.  But if they had, Pingree would be held in even higher esteem as the man who saved Detroit from starvation. 
 
Detroit is not alone in its entitlement programs.  It's Belle Isle Park was just the local version of Manhattan's "Central Park."

Belle Isle Park 

Viewed as “the people’s park” it was purchased in 1879 and maintained at public expense despite a vicious political struggle over a bond issue.  At that time, two bonds were on the ballot, the other to improve Grand Boulevard, which would have benefited a minority, mostly better off and rich.
 
Detroit's schools have long been a political football.  School Board President Mathilde Coffin (c 1894-1896) wanted to get away from rote memorization.  She advocated "story problems" for mathematics, for instance.  Although much of the resistance to her reforms came from within the public school system and from the Board itself, the Board at this time was embattled with Mayor Pingree who swore out warrants against Board members for taking bribes. 
 

Education was always for the few who wanted it, among whom the largest block were ethnic European Catholics who paid for their own schools to provide their children with a better opportunity than they had.  Those were the people who left the city first. 

 

It was not so much the automotive industry per se but the fact that two of the largest -- eventually the two largest -- Ford and GM were both in Detroit, whereas Dusenberg, Nash, Willys, Winton, etc., were dispersed across the midwest.  That made Detroit a One Industry Town, which is a predicate for disaster.  (In fact, when computering undergoes a paradigm shift, Silicon Valley will follow Detroit and everyone will wring their hands and wonder why.) 

It caused a riot on December 13, 1913, when Ford Motor Company drew 12,000 applicants to its Highland Park plant.  Data can be broad when it comes from several sources, but in the main, it is important to try to put $5 into some perspective.

 

In 1900, per capita income $420 … The average hourly pay of manufacturing production workers in … 1909, the first measured year, it was about $0.38.

(Estimate based on far-flung data from the US Department of Commerce Bureau of Labor Statistics.)

In 1900 the average coal miner is making about $400 dollars a year;

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/1900/filmmore/transcript/transcript4.html

In 1910 the average non-farm wage is give an  $634 per year.

http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc1/WagesandWorkingConditions.html

In the state of New York, in 1910, annualized union wages are $852.

The New York Times, April 17, 1911, Monday, Page 20,

 

Ignoring the 52-hour week or the employment of children age 10 in factories, the median wage was a mere $2 per day and the best chances – unionized work in New York – brought less than $3 per day.

 

Before this, Detroit was an unimportant, fair to middling town of about 100,000.  The population tripled in one decade.  The town had enjoyed the typical mix of local businesses supporting local needs with a balance of inward and outward flows.  From a town of small shops where unskilled laborers were a clear minority, the town came to depend on uneducated people, largely from the South, who wanted guaranteed pay in return for mindless repetition of tasks they did not understand: industrial sharecroppers. The UAW was the poison and Father Conklin was the antidote.  The 1943 race riots were started by whites, instigated by Nazi sympathizers seeking to disrupt the war effort. 

 

The government programs, the entitlement philosophy, the unions, all were contributing factors, but all thrived in a society prepared for them. 

 



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Wednesday, December 23, 2009 - 5:44amSanction this postReply
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I was still a child, but I distinctly remember a strange cultural change in the late 60's. 
Every fall, fewer and fewer of my friends were returning to school.  Businesses were boarded up and abandoned after the '68 riots

 I stayed in contact with one friend, Patty, a beautiful, quiet, and funny blond girl from a large Catholic family who said her mother refused to send her back to school until she got into the private Catholic school in our neighborhood.  Patty was attacked by other students on her way home from our middle school, simply for being white and too cute.  Our new black friends turned their backs, too afraid to stand up. 

Hatred for white people, no matter how innocent, was overt and encouraged by city leadership.  Calmer, sweeter messages from black preachers, inspired by Martin Luther King, were ignored.  

Hate simply took over. The able and productive shrugged. Then they left.


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Wednesday, December 23, 2009 - 7:53amSanction this postReply
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Good video, sad, sad stories...

jt

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Wednesday, December 23, 2009 - 4:00pmSanction this postReply
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Thanks for that reminder that I'm perhaps not being paranoid about where the current lot in DC might take us ...

An epiphany about what caused all this misery seems to be thoroughly NOT happening to the remaining residents of Detroit, based on those ironic shots of Obama "change" campaign paintings concluding the video, and these election stats for Detroit:

http://miboecfr.nicusa.com/cgi-bin/cfr/precinct_srch_res.cgi

With these totals:

Obama 325,534 97.0%

McCain 8,888 2.6%

Other 1,213 0.4%

Thus, almost half of Obama's victory margin (of about 800K votes) in the statewide race came from the Detroit city limits alone, where he won virtually unanimously.

Re this: My childhood two story brick house in Detroit remained vacant for over a year. It was finally sold in 1971 for less than half of what it was actually worth

I would say that, based on the long time on the market, your childhood house sold for the fair market price, i.e., what it was "actually worth", unless comparable houses in the area sold for considerably more in the same time frame.

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Wednesday, December 23, 2009 - 4:18pmSanction this postReply
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I would say that, based on the long time on the market, your childhood house sold for the fair market price, i.e., what it was "actually worth", unless comparable houses in the area sold for considerably more in the same time frame.

Everyone lost their shirt, and it wasn't "fair" to my parents (and others like them) who were responsible, yet forced to make two mortgage payments, and double property tax payments a month at a higher interest rate, and higher value rate, than the "unfortunate" couple who bought their home in Detroit.



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Wednesday, December 23, 2009 - 5:08pmSanction this postReply
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Jim I think the point Teresa was trying to make about the house was that were it not for liberal "progressive" policies Detroit homes would have been worth more than what that house was eventually sold for. Those policies destroyed the city, and innocent people that didn't ask for them were victimized as a result.

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Wednesday, December 23, 2009 - 6:40pmSanction this postReply
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Exactly what John said.

When you have public subsidized crap surrounding your little plot of private property, guess what happens to it's value? Is that value accurate?  Nope, not unless you accept government intrusion and force as natural human conditions.


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