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Post 40

Monday, May 23, 2005 - 7:03pmSanction this postReply
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Rick:
Nathan Hawking wrote:
...the collectivist simply attaches greater value to the whole than to the individual.
That's what I said: "In a collective the individual is lost and becomes just a part of the whole."

 

You also said "'Collective' and 'collection' mean entirely different things."

And that is plainly untrue.
Besides, you're dropping the context, which is politics. The words are not synonyms.
"Context-dropping" seems to be a rhetorical favorite.

"Politics" is part of a broader context, namely how the English language is used. You'll note that the M-W definition specified no political context. That's because the word is widely used, not narrowly.

Your attempt to restrict "collective" to political contexts and exclude "collection" is unwarranted, just as was your attempt to reserve "value" for ethical contexts.

Feel free to criticize my choice of words in the future, but don't be surprised if I don't limit myself to the usual O'ist patois.

I might, for example, in a shocking act of intellectual independence, choose the word "kindness" instead of "benevolence."

I go out of my way to avoid liturgical mimicry. Nothing stamps a group as a cult any quicker than conformity in language, and nothing is more ironic than a cult of speak-alike "individualists."

Nathan Hawking


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Monday, May 23, 2005 - 8:06pmSanction this postReply
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And nothing more relativist than all words meaning the same......

Post 42

Tuesday, May 24, 2005 - 12:43amSanction this postReply
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Robert:
And nothing more relativist than all words meaning the same......
Perhaps you'd like to give the word "synonym" some thought. Dictionaries are full of them.

Synonyms are our friends; they allow us to write and speak without sounding boring or robotic.

Nathan Hawking


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Tuesday, May 24, 2005 - 12:06pmSanction this postReply
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The point is - they don't mean the same, only are similar.....

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Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 12:06amSanction this postReply
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Ditto Mr Winefields comments,and thank you Mr Baker for your comments.

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Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 6:03pmSanction this postReply
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Robert:
The point is - they don't mean the same, only are similar.....
But they DO mean the same thing as I used them.

Read post 38. Follow the links. Look at the noun forms.

A synonym for the noun "collection" is "group."
A synonym for the noun "collective" is "group."

I don't mind responding to posts like this, but I strongly suggest that people who critique meaning make the effort to look words up in the dictionary before making claims.

If you disagree with Merriam-Webster, I'd be glad to know why.

Nathan Hawking


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Thursday, July 18, 2013 - 5:48amSanction this postReply
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The bombing of Dresden,Hamburg and other cities has little to do with who started the war but more to do with the rules of warfare .
Argument is by some that it was tit-for-tat for the loss of the comparatively few British lives
New evidence has it that it was aimed directly at civilians/workers rather than at factories or military targets.
That the bombing military targets was very ineffective and inaccurate.
The aim was to destroy the work-force.

The Germans are rightfully indignant still and the poms will experience many and eternal difficulties as the Germans wage pay-back .
Already the Huns have humiliated the industrial might of Britain by buying the jewels of their industry.

Some may scoff at the pay-back notion but it is real, even if it is silent.

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Thursday, July 18, 2013 - 5:58amSanction this postReply
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I feel sad at some of the posts here which suggest the authors have little humanity.

As well i feel they fail to penetrate the argument and events to see the reality of what happened , some comments just seem very distant.

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