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Monday, April 13, 2009 - 8:08amSanction this postReply
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Looks interesting, but "linky no worky."  Can somebody fix it?

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Monday, April 13, 2009 - 9:36amSanction this postReply
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Done.

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Monday, April 13, 2009 - 3:15pmSanction this postReply
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this an out-take from AS? this is the kind of stuff needed to be said at those TEA parties... and elsewhere...

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Monday, April 13, 2009 - 8:42pmSanction this postReply
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Nice piece.

Needs based political arguments are a distraction, pure subterfuge.

"Look over there, this isn't about me. It's about needs."

And then, when you are not looking at me, this is about me, the new Emperor, defining needs.

Economies based on needs need 'need PooBahs', the Emperors of Need. Alliteratively evil. What power it is, to define needs well needing defined.

Folks advocating needs based models might as well wear a sign, "Me and mine want to be the Emperors of Need."

Who needs, indeed. Ask the Emperors, they'll let us know.

The terminus of needs based models is two poor wretches in a hovel, arguing over whose sores are runnier as claim on the not so maggoty piece of rotted meat.

No thank you; we sure don't need that.


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Monday, April 13, 2009 - 9:39pmSanction this postReply
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Good article, Michael!  Way to call B.S. on these "criminologists."

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Tuesday, April 14, 2009 - 6:10amSanction this postReply
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Michael:

Great piece. Good examples. No one can misinterpret your message.

Sam


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Tuesday, April 14, 2009 - 1:46pmSanction this postReply
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did you write it?  yes it sounds like it could be from Galt - nicely written.

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Tuesday, April 14, 2009 - 7:46pmSanction this postReply
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Great piece, Michael.  I echo the previously expressed sentiments.  Really almost flawless.

As you may have noticed, however, I make a point of nit-picking.

I share your outrage at the idea of "needs based justice."  But, I'm sure that it is not restricted to a particular sub-sect of anarchists.  As you are well aware, there are about as many radically different brands of anarchism as there are of statism.  Tarring a republican with a communist brush would hardly be fair.  And there are certainly statists who share similarly destructive ideas.  Unfortunately, I fear that branding anarchists will be an unwanted consequence of this, in as much as the authors of the piece with which you started claim that this is unique to anarchists. “Anarchist criminology is unique among the many criminologies because it grows out of a needs-based political economy of relationship and conception of justice..." 
 
As you're well aware, this would hardly apply to the agorist anarchists or anarcho-capitalists, at least not in the sense that your response implies.  Was Rand then speaking about anarchists - and ONLY anarchists - when she decried a "needs" based ethics?  Hardly. 

Starting from a somewhat flawed beginnning, you have created one of the all-time best, most thorough, fundamental and eloquent attacks ever on the needs-based position.  So, what are my complaints?  They are in what was left out or implied by omission.

For example, from the "Spaceship Earth," perspective, from which we can percieve that we are a little too crowded and connected to think that we can just drop off the planet or ignore the impacts and costs of what we do, it is clearly critical to start thinking about how we can all survive and prosper.  That doesn't mean that we reward laziness or irrationality, as we know - and most people would doubtless agree - that that policy would be destructive to any rational, moral person's ends and values.

What we need is a comprehensive system that gives us the information to make intelligent, rational decisions.  The world monetary system of state fiat currencies has demonstrated that it is not that system.  Rather, it sets every nation and concentrated interest against every other, with the devil take the hindmost as far as general consequences.  If our actions have worldwide consequences and cannot be isolated, then the only solution is a system that enables accurate accounting universally.  The best model may be one in which we essentially incorporate the planet - and not via the state corporation! - so that everyone becomes a shareholder in Earth, Inc., literally.

Under such a model, everyone who was basically rational would want the total pie to get bigger, so that their share would increase in value, if nothing else.  Short term would hopefully be discounted - as in the model of the Mondragon Cooperative - in favor of rational policies that capitalized on promoting individual creativity, rationality, diversity, productivity and responsibility.   The market and private enterprise would be treasured for their efficient and moral distribution of resources.  The general fund of the corporation would be filled by the leases of the various properties of the planet, on the model of the common law - the renting of the commons, with the expected kind of impact of the Georgist Single Tax - to encourage the most productive use of resources.

In such a model, no one would vote their share in such a way as to lead to their destruction or impoverishment, clearly.  But neither, with adequate knowledge of the basic economics, which most people are able to comprehend, would they mortgage the future for short-term gains.  So, we would likely see the bottom rungs - of people trapped in abject poverty under tyranical regimes - voting for enough dividends to eat and to start climbing out of their situation, while the majority of the Earth's shareholders would be realizing that those people are only going to accept a system that  enables them to survive, just as they would vote in the same circumstances. 

The near universal willingness to work for a better future would however set a natural limit to such a stipend. Clearly, nobody would prosper in a system as you describe in which anyone's "needs" are a claim upon anyone else.  Most people realize that, and would reject any system or policy that was seen to lead to that. 

We are not yet at the brink of a global lifeboat situation, in which there has to be a die-off of humans for the remainder of us to survive.  However, we are headed in that direction, because the systems that rule us now create the incentives for a world culture of universal plunder, in which power at the point of a gun at the behest of concentrated interest supercedes any common interests in the prosperity of the planet.  Clearly, this will lead to doom, and to a competition of needs as we do sink to the lifeboat stage.

I suggest that we can forestall that scenario by recognizing that people are the most valuable thing on the planet and by creating a system that recognizes that as a fundamental principle.  We have health insurance and private employment insurance today to cover the possibility that we may have unexpected needs.  We don't arbitrarily make claims against them, as the claims have a cost in terms of future premiums.  Most people prefer to be healthy and employed.  Creating a system that is based in correct accounting and rewards productivity rather than need, while at the same time provides for the essentials of universal survival is the challenge facing us. 


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Wednesday, April 15, 2009 - 6:43amSanction this postReply
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Laure, Robert, Fred, Sam and Phil, thanks for the nods.  Yes, it does sound like Galt's Speech, but, yes, I wrote every word fresh.  Except for the phrase "You never questioned it" I warrant that you will find nothing congruent between the two works. 

 I sat through 12 weeks of this nonsense before writing that.  (We have two sessions to go.)  It was, indeed, a philosophy class, beginning with metaphysics and ending with aesthetics.  We learned right away that there is no such thing as reality and even if there were, you wouldn't understand it.  Postmodernism makes Marxism seem rational and empirical. 

The upside for me is that, as always, I came to understand new facts that help solve old problems.  I delayed replying here because I just spent 40 hours writing the term paper for this class.  My subject is John Braithwaite's theory of reintegrative shaming.  He points out in a string of citations that empirical evidence denies any link between the severity of punishment and either deterrance or rehabilitation.  Punishment per se serves no purpose.  On the other hand, certainty of outcome is a deterrant.  In other words, it doesn't matter what the consequences are, it's the risk that counts.  So, Braithwaite theorizes that rather than retribution, we should bring offenders back into their families and communities.  This is problematic, of course, as those who violate others once are likely to do so again.  The key is the shaming.  The offender must show true contrition.  When that happens, permanent change is more likely.  Most interesting to me is that Braithwaite came to this theory by studying the regulation of the pharmaceutical industry.  You go in with a court order and you get stopped by a lawyer.  You go in for coffee and you come out with compliance.  Businesses and government regulators are members of the same community.  That has special problems for us Objectivists, of course, but consider: if you are going to have a government, then protecting people from fraud is one of its duties.  Pure Food and Drug laws are intended for that purpose.  Protecting property rights is another duty of government; and pollution violates the property rights of others.  Government regulation of business is a reality, even (or especially) in a laissez-faire regimen.  Make of that what you will. 

When the chapter on needs based justice came up, the consensus was that this unarguable.  "I can argue it," I said.  "You would," they replied.  So, I did. 

You see, over the last 12 weeks, I have been the only one to actually evaluate the content.  We take turns summarizing chapters from two books.  Everyone else starts at the top, hits the high points, and stops at the bottom.  I am the only one who points out contradictions within the text, stolen concepts, begged questions, special pleading, etc.  I find the central point and it may be in the middle.  (The author must lead up to it, of course.  No surprise there.)  One other guy -- a strong postmodernist -- maintains a consistent ideological viewpoint based on fundamental assumptions.  He argues from the left and he has a good grasp of the theoretical structures.  In fact, he has been accepted for a doctorate program in anthropology.  He's pretty smart and highly motivated.  Everyone else just accepts everything as presented without question in order to slide by with the least amount of work.  They recite.  My opposite number actually draws conceptual maps and turns them for credit.  So, I doff my hat. 


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Wednesday, April 15, 2009 - 7:45amSanction this postReply
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Phil wrote: "What we need is a comprehensive system that gives us the information to make intelligent, rational decisions.  The world monetary system of state fiat currencies has demonstrated that it is not that system.  Rather, it sets every nation and concentrated interest against every other, with the devil take the hindmost as far as general consequences.  If our actions have worldwide consequences and cannot be isolated, then the only solution is a system that enables accurate accounting universally.  The best model may be one in which we essentially incorporate the planet - and not via the state corporation! - so that everyone becomes a shareholder in Earth, Inc., literally."

Phil,my dismantling of need-based criminology (or needs-based anything) was directed and limited to the topic at hand.  If you want to make a case for Earth, Inc., you are free to do so -- as you did.  We might discuss that in a different forum entirely. 

You also pointed to the dislocation of the word "anarchist" by Tifft and Sullivan.  They are free to call their theory whatever they want.  My postmodernist colleague took them to task for the label as their essay did not address "anarchy" in any way but worked totally from the "needs" premise.  When you take anarchy apart, like much else, there is nothing left.  In other words there is no essentialist definition.  Wolf DeVoon writes on the ObjectivistLiving website.  As a lawyer he sees law as pre-existing.  Government is just one way -- not very effective -- to enable law.  His novella, The Good Walk Alone, takes place in Costa Rica, about 20 years from "now" in a society that Objectivists would recognize.

We accept the notion that the "government" so-called makes laws.  In fact, that view is only about 400 years old.  Henry II of England, husband of Eleanor of Aquitaine, made torts the violiation of the king's peace, thus making private matters state problems.   Realize that the Code of Hamurabi was unearthed only in the 1880s and translated only about 1890.  So, the "eye for an eye" mandate was known from the Bible, only, a point of little consequence to the Greeks.  To the Greeks, "anarchy" was only the two year hiatus when for whatever reason there was no Archon.  The assembly still met, of course.  We call harsh laws "draconian" after Drakon of Athens who made murder a capital offense against the state where previously, it was a private matter between two familieis.  The traditions of state law and private law are both discontinuous.

So, in this curriculum, pursuing first a bachelor's and now a master's, I seek the widely applicable and specifically workable truths that bring order and restore lost balance.


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Thursday, April 16, 2009 - 6:03pmSanction this postReply
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Here's how it ties together, Michael.  If the impoverished and tyranized slave populations of Zimbabwe, etc., are used as a coin of "need" by thugs like Mugabe to extort cash or guns or whatever from altruist guilt-peddlers in the West, then clearly the problem will never be solved.  People are cashing in on the problem.  Why would they want it to be solved?

Nonetheless, if you or I were to find ourselves in a similar circumstance, starving and at risk of sudden death or plague, without the key knowledge which we have as our Western heritage to extract ourselves, we would generally consider that to be a lifeboat situation - meaning that we would no longer consider ourselves to be part of a rational, productive society, in which we could generally assume that other people were an asset, but rather that everyone else was an enemy to tossed out of the boat by us and our temporary allies at the first opportunity. 

It is only the lack of major weaponry in their hands that keeps the rest of us in the civilized world safe from such people, and that may not last, given the N. Korean situation.  A world in which large numbers of people are forcibly kept starving and helpless is not a safe world for anyone.

But, exactly as you so perfectly described, a needs based solution is doomed from the start.  However, the problem is that people, including objectivists, take that as meaning that there IS no solution.  Those starving Zimbabwans had better either somehow pull themselves up by their bootstraps or give up and die.  In part, this attitude feeds upon an artificially exagerated sense of "rugged individualism" that is common in objectivist circles, which contains the implicit idea that somehow we are all self-created, owing nothing to society, our parents, etc.

This flies in total contradiction to the scene at Reardon's home, when Francisco thanked Reardon for his hospitality and for the fact that, due to people like Hank Reardon, the various guests were comfortable and well-fed in the middle of a major storm.   Aha!  So, it IS proper to give credit to the great creators of history, the Einsteins, Newtons and Aristotle's.  In fact, most of us add something to the human heritage and if we did literally have to start from nothing, we would starve or be eaten, unless some wolves befriended us, right?

So, some of our cousins in places like Zimbabwe are truly a net drain on the rest of us, not because they are evil people, but largely because of the philosophies of altruism and statism.  That doesn't mean that they don't have the same basic heritage as the rest of us who are more fortunate. 

What I'm saying is that we shouldn't let the "needs" fallacy prevent us from figuring out how to make the investment necessary to prevent doom for us all, when the crazies play the poverty and desperation card with nukes or bioweapons instead of suicide bombers.  If we want humanity, including us, to succeed, we have to solve this problem, not funneling our resources into a bottomless pit of need, but by making the investments necessary to turn those situations around so that those people can become a net asset to us. 

And, we should make a profit out of doing it.  By framing the argument in terms of investment and profit, rather than altruism, we can hopefully shift the focus to positive, sustainable solutions that promote real values.  We "need" to capture the high ground on this, not just to show how dreadful the altruistic argument is, but to demonstrate that we have actual selfish, capitalist solutions that make sense.

(Edited by Phil Osborn on 4/16, 7:14pm)


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Friday, December 16, 2011 - 5:23amSanction this postReply
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Michael this is a great article.
Well done!

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