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Saturday, April 28, 2007 - 7:27amSanction this postReply
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I've just attempted to mentally subtract it from my assessment of it's value.

Doesn't leave much left, then, huh.........


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Saturday, April 28, 2007 - 7:35amSanction this postReply
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The money changers of the temple were exchanging a wide range of silver and copper coins for the shekels of Tyre.  The film called them shekels of the temple, but the temple did not strike them; the city of Tyre did.  Tyre was the entrepot for trade in the region.  The film said that the coins did not depict "Caesar" and they did not.  (The film did not show one of these coins.  They look like this: Typical Tyrean Shekel and  
perhaps from a mint actually in Israel near the lifetime of Jesus )They did show a male deity whom numismatists today identify as "Melqart" supposedly the "Semitic Herakles" but I trace the name to Maalik-kart, i.e., "king of the city."  In any case, these coins did, in fact, violate the injunction against "graven images."  Anyway, the money changers did not have a "monopoly" on them: anyone could get them.  It was just that the money changers found it convenient to set up in the entrance to the temple so that people could bring in their plethoras of thises and thats and get the required coin for donation.

More broadly, this film rails against "debt."  It is true that it is better to run surpluses than shortages, but the fact is that in double entry bookkeeping --(something invented by debt merchants, bankers of the Italian renaissance, who imported heathen "arabic" numerals and charged sinful "usury" to merchants who imported needless "luxuries" like oranges) -- one side balances the other.  You borrow money, you have an asset and a liability. You borrow at a rate of interest that you expect to be less than your gain in earnings over the same time.

All in all, this film is just anti-capitalist falsehoods, factually lacking and conceptually flawed.

Mr. LeRay -- Jeremy -- I can understand why you want to have surpluses rather than shortages in your life.  I can expect that as a rational investor you have about 10% of your net assets in gold.  Basically, even if we assume that any of the film is accurate, I fail to see the significance to the individual.  As long as you can live your life by your own standards and rise or fall on your own merits, what difference does any of that other stuff make? 

To me, it is what Harry Browne called "the burning issues trap," the claim on the time of your life made by people who want you to do their work -- work that never ends, as the burning issue of today replaces the one from yesterday.


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Saturday, April 28, 2007 - 2:00pmSanction this postReply
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What I don't like is the fundamental construction of this "fractional reserve" policy.  For the "Federal Reserve" -- which is, apparently, neither federal nor does it have reserves -- to, first, play national mint and then loan out vast sums of money it doesn't have, and then dare to charge significant interest on it to those it lends it to, is ridiculous.  

For a government to work, it has to at least play fair with the people from the start.  This "fractional reserve" business does not sound at all like what even Ayn Rand was advocating.  She was at least advocating fiscal responsibility.  That Alan Greenspan would turncoat from what she stressed and actually head this whole mess, is ghastly. 

When something like this comes from the highest levels of government itself, it's no wonder it soon comes to wreak havok on the lives of responsibility-minded citizens.  Apparently the main difference between those who rule and those who do not, is pure egomania, ruthlessness, and an almost genetic inability to feel essential shame over their actions, no matter how unconscionable.  Also, a yen for rationalizing gymnastics apparently doesn't hurt, either.

(Edited by Jeremy M. LeRay on 4/28, 2:00pm)


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Saturday, April 28, 2007 - 2:55pmSanction this postReply
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Mr. J.M.LR: ... loan out vast sums of money it doesn't have, and then dare to charge significant interest on it ...
So how much are you into them for?  What did you do with the money? I mean, myself, before I use my credit card, one or both of two closures must obtain: either (a) I will pay this back before the interest kicks in or (b) I will make more with the money than the cost of the interest.  For (b), for instance, I just took out another $15,000 after $20,000 from Sallie Mae for a "student loan" but I intend to earn far, far more money with my new credentials.  My wife and I are going to retire as private detectives.  If we never pay the loans back, it is all the same to us.  Heck, we might die first. You never know.  If all goes well, the continuing lifetime payback is about the same as the cost of telephone (or cable TV) plus internet access.  I mean, as it is, we FINANCE our heating bill ( that is, we "annualize" it) because the house is huge. Anyway, we borrowed and therefore owe inflationay FRNs.  It's not like we borrowed gold or anything...

Anyway, that's us.  I was just wondering about you.


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Saturday, April 28, 2007 - 7:18pmSanction this postReply
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"First of all, most of what we really do is -- as you suggested -- highly abstracted "an infectious sort of fetish" what Richard Dawkins called a "meme" a self-replicating idea. Evolution is seamless. Even when you can point to "cataclysms" or "events" the forms before and after are similar. So, both the day before and the day after Pres. Roosevelt closed the banks and demonetized gold, money still looked a lot like money. The same was true when clad coinage replaced silver. For a contrast to that from another sector, the Japanese never were big on check books. The writing style had something to do with it, but basically, they went directly from cash to plastic in one generation. So, again, money was highly abstracted, several steps away from surplus commodities being exchanged." -Marotta

Mike, I'm not quite sure what point you are trying to make here. But there is one problem with this sentiment. A dead body "looks" an awful lot like a live person. But there's a world of a difference. I assume we all have heard of the concept of the percept-bound mentality. People who are actually conscious will realize that there is more than a slight difference between a silver certificate and a fiat dollar, appearances aside. Fiat currency does have a certain value - to collectors like yourself. But as they say on the infomercial, while paper has at times become worthless, gold never has.

Ted Keer

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Sunday, April 29, 2007 - 6:24amSanction this postReply
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In principle(if not always in practice), there is nothing coercive about the concept of a "central bank" that creates currency from debt amd charges that debt account for interest.   Even one that charges fees for its services.  Our own is only partially derelict in these aspects.   The picture is not as bleak as is easuly painted, but it is easily painted so, because the concept is confusing to most people.

If you believe that the Sun will come up tomorrow, that there will be futue economies to labor in and in which to create and circulate new value, then there is nothing coercive(to the economies)about the concept of either secured or unsecured loans, interest, or a central bank.

If you don't believe that the Sun will come up tomorrow, etc., then it is moot what our central bank does.

All of that is in principle.  In practice, the concept of a central bank can easily be abused.    The key aspect of a central bank that must be maintained is that it not directly participate in the economies except through secondary and indirect means, ie, by charging fees for its services, and not by 'spending' either the currency ('current accounts') it is able to create, seemingly from thin air, or the 'interest' that it charges for its loans.   (It is on this latter issue of interest that our own central bank might be a little perverted.)

It is true that a central bank creates current accounts out of 'thin air.'  But, it is also true that it accepts 'thin air' in return.   Central banks end up holding the bag on notes.  In theory, they can't spend any of that 'air.' They can only exchange non-spendable(by the central bank)thin air for thin air.   As long as the non central banks underneath them are fundamentalluy sound in theior banking policies, the economies that this banking system serves are not being perverted.

In principle, central banks do not create current accounts/currency out of 'thin air.'  They create them out of a claim on future value.   But, there is a limit on claims on future value, and if that limit is exceeded, then the economies burdened with the excess creation of current acounts will be perverted.

You go to a bank to make a loan.  You do not have an infinite capacity to do so.  Nobody, no entity does.     The bank issues you a 'current account' balance, but accepts your note, a claim on future value that if secured by collateral, is backed by actual value as well(collateral = in case $hit happens.)   Some % of loans will default, which means, the promised claim on future value will not be fulfilled, and the debt must be retired by surrendering collateral=actual present value.    That is one type of loan, a secured loan.  In a sound banking system, that is the predominance of loans.   There is another type of loan, an unsecured loan, much like a credit card transaction..   In that type of loan, a bank can still pursue failed loans, but with less pre-arranged direct legal claim on collateral.   Unsecured loans generally charge a higher interst rate, which is a way of spreading the required collateral backup across both performing and nonperfromaing loans.    So, even with unsecured loans, as long as the economies in whcih these loans are offered are mostly performing, there is still no perversion of the economies.   Folks who make unsecured loans and perform pay for the failures of those who make unsecured loans and don't perform(ie, pay high interest rates on their unsecured loans.).   The convenience of unsecured loans comes at a price that the participants choose to pay, but so far, no perversion of the economies.

In the above transactions between you and a bank, the debits and the credits all add up.   You walk away from the bank with new current account balance, but you surrendered a limited claim on future value.    You've promised to venture forth into the future economies, pull on your pump handle over time, and circulate a negotiated amount of future value.   The bank gave up current account balance, but gained your claim on future value.    Everyone is exchanging value for value.

That bank can go to another bank, and effectively exchange your note/claim on future value for a current account balance.   Value in, value out, all ledgers balance.  So far, just like your transaction.    Lather, rinse, repeat....all the way to the central bank.

What does the central bank do?  It accepts notes/claims on future value, and it issues current account balances 'out of thin air.'     And it then...holds the bag full of notes.    So, although it handed over 'nothing', it also accepted 'nothing'.   It can't do anything with those notes...except hold them.    In non perverted central bank based economies, the central bank cannot 'spend' those notes--convert them to current accounts, and then 'spend' those current accounts in the economies, exchanging value for value.   It can only 'hold the bag.'  It can accept current account balances to retire notes, and it can accept notes and surrender current account balances, but it can't do anything else with either in the economies.      Through interest rate policy, it can apply drag/grease to the process by adjusting the interest rate charged for loans, but what ~should~ be done with such 'interest' is that it is converted to reloanable central bank current account balances, and not simply 'spent', either by the central bank or by the gov't.

Never mind central banks, 'interest' confiuses most people.    But, 'interest' is a constraint placed on us by the universe we live in.   Said another way, if there was no such thing as 'depreciation,' then 'interest' would be unnecessary.    Because we live in a real, not theoretically frictionless universe, interest is required.   But, totally not a problem.   It doesn't lead to any impossibilities or conundrums or singularities or paradoxes or mysteries in our economies, which is another internet favorite scare the kids myth.

regards,
Fred


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Sunday, April 29, 2007 - 7:33amSanction this postReply
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Thanks, Fred, for the fresh air. (Red check for that.)  I was going to approach the same topic with the same point of view from another direction.

The Blessings of Fractional Reserve Banking
 
Fractional reserve banking can only take place in a society where trust is strong. 
(more follows later).
 
 


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Sunday, April 29, 2007 - 3:17pmSanction this postReply
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It sounds like nothing more than a dignified confidence racket to me. 

It also sounds like an improper and unhealthy violation of "private" and "public" sectors.  Even Rand herself acknowledged the importance of government as a public sector. 

While bankers can and should be private -- and even charge interest for their services -- the treasury itself should not be a bank.  It should not be expressly seeking private profits through interest, much less pretending to be a division of the "public" sector.

You have to draw the line somewhere for everything, and I draw it here.


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Sunday, April 29, 2007 - 6:21pmSanction this postReply
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JMLR -- It sounds like nothing more than a dignified confidence racket to me.
There is a difference between trust in business and a "confidence racket." 

Would your national treasury be allowed to mint coins?  Even the production of gold coins must be paid for.  The machinery of coinage comes with a cost burden that makes silver less profitable and copper a certain loss.  In a totally gold-based cash-and-carry economy, how would you pay for the convenience of coinage?  I ask because historical facts suggest that even gold coins are a market failure.  I deny this, personally, and I can show how it would work, but I put the ball in your court.  Historically, minters and their governments have been surprisinginly inept at producing at a (non-confiscatory) profit.  Coinage has always been either a deadweight loss or (in your terms, and not incorrectly) a "scam" in which the public accepts 100% value for 90% of face. 

Again, this is historical.  In 1800 and in 1802, the Republicans in the Senate wanted to close the Mint as a useless, unprofitable government business.

(For some modern private Mints, see here:
http://www.silvertowne.com/
http://www.osbornecoin.com/
http://www.hoffmanmint.com/
http://www.patrickmint.com/
http://www.gallerymintmuseum.org/
But you will be challenged by the Second Law of Thermodynamics to produce gold coins at the London spot price for gold.)

(Edited by Michael E. Marotta on 4/29, 6:23pm)


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Monday, April 30, 2007 - 12:07amSanction this postReply
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Would your national treasury be allowed to mint coins?  Even the production of gold coins must be paid for.  The machinery of coinage comes with a cost burden that makes silver less profitable and copper a certain loss.  In a totally gold-based cash-and-carry economy, how would you pay for the convenience of coinage?  I ask because historical facts suggest that even gold coins are a market failure.  I deny this, personally, and I can show how it would work, but I put the ball in your court.
Well, what about the solutions that Bill Still suggests in the "Money Masters" documentary itself?  According to him, it's been tried in the past, is presently being employed in certain places, and works!


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Monday, April 30, 2007 - 10:40amSanction this postReply
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Well, what about the solutions that Bill Still suggests in the "Money Masters" documentary itself?  According to him, it's been tried in the past, is presently being employed in certain places, and works!
By way of conclusion, the film presents an option for a different kind of monetary policy for the United States of America. The film suggests that the fractional reserve banking and the Federal Reserve System be abolished in favour of 100% reserve. These reserve will come from the government, which will issue non-interest generating notes to repay the public debt to the banks. This will happen over a gradual period of one year. As the government repays its debt with printed notes, the banks will be required to hold the notes as reservers, as the reserve rate is slowly increased to 100%, and thus no inflation or imbalance in the amount of money will occur. An extra 3% of the total notes in circulation will then be supplied each year by the government into the economy, varying only with variations in the population of the country. When all government debt is repaid, the government shall distribute the money as a tax refund to tax payers, which will then lead to the abolition of income tax.
-- Wikipedia "Money Masters"
(Sorry that I had to rely on the Wikipedia, but I do not have hours to spend on what proved in 30 minutes to be a bunch of half-baked half-truths.)

1.   Why does the "government" (so-called) need to "repay" its putative "debt"?  (Again, I know the answer, but the ball is in your court.)  If these evil money masters have created this horrible system of immoral debt, then why not just repudiate it?  Why endorse an evil?

2.  Where does the gold come from, if none is owned by the government i.e., Fort Knox is "empty" with the gold being owned by others?  Do you advocate stealing back the gold?
  
3. It is easy to order banks to hold government notes as reserves, as long as banks are defacto branches fo the treasury.  If you view banks as businesses, however, then this is analogous to ordering restaurants to store government cheese. 

3.b.  In days gone by National Banks were required to hold their reserves as U.S. Treasury Bonds which they bought with gold.  That led directly to the present system in which banks buy their T-bills with FRNs.  The problem is structural.

4.  Where do the "notes" come from?  You stil have the government in the money business.  Money is no different from shoes or steel.  Notes?  Coins?  Electronic cards?  Who decides?  By what standard?

5.  "An extra 3% of the total notes in circulation will then be supplied each year by the government into the economy, varying only with ... " Jeremy, do the arithmetic:  3% inflation compounded over 25 years reduces the value of the money by 50%.  What has changed?

6. When all government debt is repaid, the government shall distribute the money as a tax refund to tax payers ...   When the debt is repaid (1) what will be left over?  and (2) with what then does the government buy guns and pencils? More to the point, where do new goverment revenues come from? 

You really need to think these and other issues through before you jump on the bandwagon because you really do not know who the driver is or where they are taking you.


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Monday, April 30, 2007 - 12:18pmSanction this postReply
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The ugly truth supporting the whole central bank and fractional reserve banking system is that revenues are guaranteed through taxation.

The federal reserve will not issue money to purchase treasury bonds if there is no guarantee through taxation that they will be redeemed (and at a profit).

At least with a private loan (where cybermoney is also created out of nothing—meaning that there is more money credited in the banking system than there actually is minted or printed), there is a house or something tangible as a guarantee of repayment. With government bonds, there is only taxation backed by guns.

Michael

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Monday, April 30, 2007 - 8:22pmSanction this postReply
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The ugly truth supporting the whole central bank and fractional reserve banking system is that revenues are guaranteed through taxation.

The federal reserve will not issue money to purchase treasury bonds if there is no guarantee through taxation that they will be redeemed (and at a profit).

At least with a private loan (where cybermoney is also created out of nothing—meaning that there is more money credited in the banking system than there actually is minted or printed), there is a house or something tangible as a guarantee of repayment. With government bonds, there is only taxation backed by guns.

Michael
To an extent, I agree with you.  I think.

To the extent that I think your concern is with the implementation of artifice as a central feature of this "fractional reserve" policy, then I'm right there with you.  I mean, ultimately, gold has really always traditionally been worthless... except for winning over the most fertile and beautiful females with all the lustrous things you can make from it.  And, in support of this "gynocentric" theory of gold's importance, you will notice that it's males who have traditionally always been fighting for it, and most of that gold usually ends up adorning the bodies of only the most desirable trophy and/or reproductively-fertile females.  The bottom line seems to still be "pay for play"... hence gold's real importance as a "bottom-line" commodity. 

Anyhoo, whether gold is or isn't important -- and I think it isn't, except on a pro-vanity level -- the whole point here seems to be that the system needs to be honest in the first place.  If the monetary system is being publicly declared as being gold-based, then it absolutely needs to be precisely and 100% backed by actual gold, with no deceptions such as "fractional reserve" banking being employed as "appropriate and traditional banking policy" by all the most priestly academics and economists. 

However, I think that fiat money would be just as appropriate, but only if it has an ultimately urgent function such as the paying of taxes, as Bill Still suggests in the "Money Masters" documentary I've posted.  If a certain form of strictly paper or synthetic money is all that the government agrees to accept as taxes, then that seems, in my mind, to create a strong, driving force amid the population to employ it as currency.  After all, gold-based currency has exactly and no more the same impetus as such paper-based, "fiat" currency:  it would be the only way to appease a critical and demanding need on the part of the populace.  In the case of fiat currency, it would be all about appeasing the government from coming to "get" you.  

In the case of gold, it would be all about ever feeling the fleshy warmth and biological benefits of the female body. 

As I've said elsewhere, I truly believe that it's p*ssy and not money that really makes the world go 'round, and it's gold that "feeds the meter", so to speak.

(Edited by Jeremy M. LeRay on 4/30, 8:36pm)


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1.   Why does the "government" (so-called) need to "repay" its putative "debt"?  (Again, I know the answer, but the ball is in your court.)  If these evil money masters have created this horrible system of immoral debt, then why not just repudiate it?  Why endorse an evil?

2.  Where does the gold come from, if none is owned by the government i.e., Fort Knox is "empty" with the gold being owned by others?  Do you advocate stealing back the gold?
  
3. It is easy to order banks to hold government notes as reserves, as long as banks are defacto branches fo the treasury.  If you view banks as businesses, however, then this is analogous to ordering restaurants to store government cheese. 

3.b.  In days gone by National Banks were required to hold their reserves as U.S. Treasury Bonds which they bought with gold.  That led directly to the present system in which banks buy their T-bills with FRNs.  The problem is structural.

4.  Where do the "notes" come from?  You stil have the government in the money business.  Money is no different from shoes or steel.  Notes?  Coins?  Electronic cards?  Who decides?  By what standard?

5.  "An extra 3% of the total notes in circulation will then be supplied each year by the government into the economy, varying only with ... " Jeremy, do the arithmetic:  3% inflation compounded over 25 years reduces the value of the money by 50%.  What has changed?

6. When all government debt is repaid, the government shall distribute the money as a tax refund to tax payers ...   When the debt is repaid (1) what will be left over?  and (2) with what then does the government buy guns and pencils? More to the point, where do new goverment revenues come from? 

You really need to think these and other issues through before you jump on the bandwagon because you really do not know who the driver is or where they are taking you.
This is all self-indulgent intelligentsia, and it doesn't get to the core of the problem.  It's too entrenched and ponderous an analysis from the outset, although it's quite superficially impressive in its sheer, professorial overwhelm.  My intention here, in contrast, is to remove myself completely from the leafy forest and look as though from above in the most commonsense, philosophical sense, and then build from there. 

Money evolved in the most simple way possible, by what were apparently some very simple minds indeed... and I'm talking true primitives here.  And that is precisely how the problem will be solved:  by going back to that fundamental state of mind, and not indulging in all of this gratuitously overcomplicated puffery... at least not for starters.


(Edited by Jeremy M. LeRay on 4/30, 8:34pm)


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Woops I forgot to defend myself.  In my reply, basically I was expressing my dislike for posts that just say "click here"!  Why should I click here?  This topic (Federal Reserve) now heavily interests me.

 

(Edited by Dean Michael Gores on 3/03, 9:18pm)



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Dean:

 

I described some non-existing central bank upthread, not our Federal Reserve.  It is useful to identify the ways our Federal Reserve differs.

 

One is, the treatment of 'interest.'   The Fed simply hands over that interest to our Treasury, and it is spent as government current accounts.  That is direct, endemic leakage in the concept of a central bank.   And to make matters even more appalling, this is marketed as 'profits' from operations of the central bank.   Jesus.

 

So right off the bat, where does that cozy linkage come from?   I thought the Fed was 'independent' in some fashion?   It sure doesn't look independent if it is manufacturing interest out of nothing and then letting the Treasury spend that nothing.    So what other cozy arrangements like this exist?

 

Well, damn; in my description of a non-existing well functioning central bank, there was a functioning banking system underneath it all.    Folks were making sure that the books balanced -- that, when someone walked into a bank and loaned money, they gave someting pf value in return -- a legitimate promise of future value.   Not an unlimited thing, but a limited thing.  Credit that was consumed when it was used, until it was repaid.    And if that promise was not literally guaranteed by being secured by collateral, then it was implcitiely guaranteed with a premium paid by everyone using unsecured credit, in the form of a surcharge-- higher interest rate.   So that, when those notes showed up at the central bank, those notes actually represented real value-- the real insurance of the 'fractional reserve' banking system.

 

Compare that to now the cozy relationship between Treasury and the Fed; our Treasury can show up with a self-declared unlimited and endless credit demand, and flood our economies with current accounts manufactured from nothing.    Not quite the same as simply printing money-- because in theory, those notes will be paid for in the future by demands placed on taxpayers.   But that is a sham, because the future arrives, and the only thing that ever happens is a totally unbounded self-awarded increase in the ability to borrow more money, now, some to payoff old debt, and yet more, to freshly spend anew.   To go out into the economies and, if properly connected to the selective political chutes and ladders, bathe in the sea of printed money and demand value from the struggling economies.

 

So, just because a central bank -could- function without being abused and perverting our economies sure as Hell doesn't mean that our Federal Reserve, as an instance of a central bank,  is doing anything like that.

 

How else?

 

regards,

Fred

 



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Fred,

 

Indeed, they say its not the same as printing "money"... but it is the same.  In fact, the FRN itself (USD) is a kind of loan really, not actually "money" by Austrian definition, only a receipt for future claim.  Its just that they act like the newly printed money is a loan that is actually going to at some point in the future be paid back.  But of course its not going to be paid back...  simply more will be "loaned" in the future in an ever exponentially increasing money/loan supply.

 

How else could our banking system function?  My current theory is that large traditional banking (private banks) will forever now be simply too vulnerable from theft by individuals, gangs, and mob dictatorships.  Its just too easy for gold vaults to be looted.  So I think this system will continue to exist unless decentralized digital currencies (such as Bitcoin) are able to survive and outcompete despite vested interest in the existing monopolization of money by the mob-manipulator system.



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Dean:

 

Remember those James Cagney movies from the 30s, with the 'G-Men' chasing organized crime?   The Untouchables, etc.

 

That whole quaint concept dissappeared, sometime around the Kennedy's, plural, assassinations, plural.   Since then, it's all about pretending to wage Nixon's Drug War towards some conclusion, when in fact, the point is simply to forever wage the war.  (And when you look closely at all at -who- is waging this supposed war, using what resopurces, targeted at what selective groups, towards what ends, it isn't pretty at all.).

 

And so, I'm reminded of the following lines from 'The Departed"

 

Frank Costello: When you decide to be something, you can be it. That's what they don't tell you in the church. When I was your age they would say we can become cops, or criminals. Today, what I'm saying to you is this: when you're facing a loaded gun, what's the difference?

 

Frank Costello: I don't want to be a product of my environment. I want my environment to be a product of me. Years ago we had the church. That was only a way of saying - we had each other. The Knights of Columbus were real head-breakers; true guineas. They took over their piece of the city. Twenty years after an Irishman couldn't get a fucking job, we had the presidency. May he rest in peace.

 

Or Godfather II:

 

Michael Corleone: If anything in this life is certain, if history has taught us anything, it is that you can kill anyone.

 

Hyman Roth: If I could only live to see it, to be there with you. What I wouldn't give for twenty more years! Here we are, protected, free to make our profits without Kefauver, the goddamn Justice Department and the F.B.I. ninety miles away, in partnership with a friendly government. Ninety miles! It's nothing! Just one small step, looking for a man who wants to be President of the United States, and having the cash to make it possible. Michael, we're bigger than U.S. Steel.

 

What Kefauver?  Long gone.  And Justice now primarily beating down the last remnants of capitalism that struggles to erupt.    So there is no need to chase yourself; what would be the point?  And so, the Macy's Mob bought or otherwise supplanted the Gimbels G-Men. and the nation has been a smooth running congruence of reptilian logic ever since.

 

Nobody had more frequent flyer miles to Georgetown/Grand Caymans than Ted Kennedy, the darling of the Left, the last true savior of the working men and woman of America..

 

Are there reptiles in the world reptilian enough to do -this- to a nation? 

 

Ya think? It is the history of the world.

 

regards,

Fred



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The Drug War

 

https://www.paed.uscourts.gov/documents/opinions/00D0340P.pdf

 

Read just the first few pages of this, as an example.

 

Imagine; behaviour by a local element of some amorphous 'Drug Task Force' so repulsive that not even a confidential drug informant could stomach it.

 

Same department: judge rules inadmissable testimony that department Drug task Force agents were former drug dealers; not because it wasn't true, but because that disclosure would be 'prejudicial' to the case at hand.

 

Never -- ooops, I mean seldom named confidential drug informants are used as the raw material to fuel drug property confiscation actions against ... whoever those CDIs name.   Once such an action against property is made, it is up to the property owners to prove a negative-- that the property was never used in illegal drug activity.   Example: a CDI makes a claim against tenants in a rented house; the house is seized.   The tenants are found not guilty of the charges.   That doesn't clear the property, because the action is against the property.   It is the responsibility of the landlord to clear his property -- by proving a negative.   The local county/state/dea DTF departments confiscate and sell the property and divide the proceeds to augment stressed budgets, all in the name of the Holy War.    The paper reports the initial seizure and tips from never named confidential drug informants.  The landlord/owner gets no public sympathy for harboring drug activity in his rented property.  The papers do not even cover his legal attempts to clear his property.   They either end up singing John Couger Mellancamp and move on, or fight an endless battle going nowhere.  Because this (remarkably selective) war is so important to remarkably broad  "S"ociety.

 

For now 40 years and counting, until it happens to you or someone you know.

 

 

 

(Edited by Fred Bartlett on 3/05, 6:51am)



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Authority, by John Couger Mellancamp

 

 

Oh, they like to get you in a compromising position
They like to get you there and smile in your face
Well, they think they're so cute when they got you in that condition
Well I think it's a total disgrace
And I said:

CHORUS:
I fight authority, Authority always wins
Well, I fight authority, Authority always wins
Well, I've been doing it since I was a young kid
I come out grinnin'
Well, I fight authority, Authority always wins



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