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Post 20

Saturday, March 27, 2010 - 3:30pmSanction this postReply
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R. Kay,

I disagree with you when you say Obama will (eventually) get bad medical care.

An example of this is the fact that politicians have ruined "education" in America by hampering private education institutions immensely -- including the new piggy-backed, write-in law that was passed along with (inside) the new ObamaCare bill: making private lending now illegal -- but they, themselves, have their kids educated at private institutions.

Another example is in the book: 1984, where George Orwell has the protagonist visit the Prime Minister of Oceana (or was it Ingsoc?). The Prime Minister, who had impoverished his country, still had rare things in his possession (such as fine wine).

Another example is the extravagance of Arab and African "leaders" (in otherwise-impoverished countries). They make it impossible for man to be rich, themselves excluded.

Ed


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Saturday, March 27, 2010 - 3:35pmSanction this postReply
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Addendum:

I do accept the general fact that you can't, in general, succeed as a thief or scoundrel (because you run out of victims) ...

... but history shows that you can, in specific, "succeed" as a specific scoundrel backed by a wrong cultural philosopy and the power of a national army. Just look at Mao, Stalin and Obama ...

Ed


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Friday, June 4, 2010 - 2:14amSanction this postReply
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Is that so, Mr. Thompson?

Well unfortunately, your explanation is a bit flawed, as you're forgetting that people still have a choice between whether to send their kids to public school, private school, or have them home-schooled.

With ObamaCare, the choices will be virtually non-existent, unless you can really shell out the big bucks for it; and I can assure you that the top-notch health care costs a lot more than even having a private tutor, in terms of home-schooling!

In regards to ObamaCare however, if doctors are run out of business left and right in the country by it, who will Obama and his ilk have left to go to for surgery?

If price controls prevent pharmaceutical companies from investing in new medications, we'll basically be left with a lot less medications than we'd otherwise have.

Once again, look at what happened with the Canadian politician; he came here because he knew the care in his country was so piss poor awful, he was afraid he wouldn't live thru the surgery.

If the final major hold-out in the world has now--more than willingly I assure you--gone in that direction, how is Mr. Obama, McCain, or any of the others honestly gonna get any better healthcare in the long run, unless it's repealed.

And you know it won't be.
(Edited by R Kay on 6/04, 2:24am)


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Friday, June 4, 2010 - 1:42pmSanction this postReply
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ObamaCare exempts Congress and the President - they get to have their own medical care, they can also fly off to Switzerland if they need to. Those of us here at RoR know that what they are doing will destroy medical care in our country, which will have a ripple effect all around the world. But most of the politicans don't know that. They either lie to themselves about the effects, or they really have drunk deeply of the kool-aid and believe they are improving medicine, or they assume no matter what happens they'll still find a way to get what they need.

In short, they either think THEY have a choice or that ObamaCare is a step in the right direction.

It is true that with ObamaCare choices will become non-existent, but it won't happen overnight - the conversion of our partially free medical care system into a totally government provided single-payor system would take about a decade or so. The new congress elected this November is very likely to vote to not fund ObamaCare and if they get the numbers in the Senate to overturn a veto, they'd repeal it (it doesn't look likely that they will have those numbers). Elections are unpredictable, but if I had to bet, it would be that Obama is a one term president. He may be pushing very hard to collapse the entire system to generate a crisis large enough to transform the nation into a socialist dictatorship, but November is too close and the new congress will emasculate him and make the far left become shrill, screeching and more visible for what they really are. I would bet that the average citizen will hold on to their current distrust of his changes and with the little edge of the tea party phenomena will hold on to a hope that returning to smaller government and more free enterprise will be the answer. And out of that I see Obama being replace in 2012. If that is so, we will most likely do more to repair the drift into statism that began in the late 1800's than has ever been done before. (But I also suspect that the statist's and fuzzy conservatives of different stripes in the Republican party will damage the swing towards Capitalism so that we will still be a mixed economy.) It's fun to predict, but this far out, counting on tea party effects is too much like reading tea leaves.

As individuals we have choice. Because of that, as a culture we are always changing - sometimes for the better and sometimes for the worse. We have seen a trend for the worse for some time. But the founding of our nation marks a high point in the greater trend for the better. We may be at a low point right now, and about to head back up. There may be more ups and downs, making our cultural progress look like a DOW Jones chart that, on average, is headed up, but not without lots of corrections along the way. Because we are capable of reason, and because we have choice, I have to say that it makes more sense to be optimistic about the long run. The day will come, even if it is 100 or 200 years from now that we will achieve a true minarchy. And when we do, it is likely to be founded on a base of rational egoism, with altruism becoming a minority position among moralities. Unfortunately, something that far in the future is like science fiction - you take it in for enjoyment more than for practical considerations.

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Monday, June 7, 2010 - 2:04amSanction this postReply
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Obama will most certainly be a one-termer, I don't question that....but I want to remind you of something: that doesn't mean he's the last Socialist president America will ever have.

Americans are humans first, and humans have basically all but failed basic economics, and don't understand individual rights either.

As long as this is the case, humans will be attracted to the friendly-looking but truly destructive package known as Socialism; always have been, and I don't expect that to change anytime soon.

Basically, Obama will not be the last Socialist president; expect dozens and dozens more after his term is up....and I assure you, no matter what the next Congress repeals, a future Congress will blow Universal Health Care right thru with a landslide vote.

Y'wanna know what'll really be the killer on that one?

I'm willing to bet Americans will even support it by an overwhelming majority.

The biggest drawback this time was that they had a guy who started out as a sleek-sounding president, and then degenerated into this annoying schmuck you just wish would leave your TV set. That hurt 'em THIS time around.

The only thing DC has learned from this is they need someone even smoother and suaver to pull it off....having an "empty suit" doesn't help either; so they gotta get someone who passionately believes in it, and at the same time can totally make it look like he doesn't when marketing it. ':B-)


And btw, in regards to the greatness of the triumph of the founding of the country, I've read up plenty on it, and to be fair, everything we've experienced in America since then doesn't surprise me in the least. My only response after reading all about it, knowing where we are now was "it was only a matter of time".

Oh I'm certainly sure one day living creatures can enjoy Capitalism and freedom; something else-- in my mind-- needs to happen first, but I don't entirely rule it out.

Oh, fine, you dragged it out of me: we need to evolve to our next state.

The biggest problem humans have is that they're mostly creatures ruled by emotion. And before you squeal at me for saying it, I'm not the first; hit up CICERO on that one...
(Edited by R Kay on 6/07, 2:08am)


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Monday, June 7, 2010 - 5:09pmSanction this postReply
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Americans are humans first, and humans have basically all but failed basic economics, and don't understand individual rights either.

The obvious question is "why."  Why are Americans  ignorant of these concepts? Just how lacking is their knowledge?

Unlike, and Thumbs Down to your post.

Human beings are not defined by their emotional capacity, unless your assertion is that there is no distinction between a human being and a dog.

Is that your premise?


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Monday, June 7, 2010 - 7:38pmSanction this postReply
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Hmmm, that raises the question - why are so many humans dogs?

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Monday, June 7, 2010 - 8:03pmSanction this postReply
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I blame Roger Waters and ANIMAL FARM.

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Tuesday, June 8, 2010 - 2:41amSanction this postReply
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Basically, Obama will not be the last Socialist president; expect dozens and dozens more after his term is up....and I assure you, no matter what the next Congress repeals, a future Congress will blow Universal Health Care right thru with a landslide vote.

Y'wanna know what'll really be the killer on that one?

I'm willing to bet Americans will even support it by an overwhelming majority.


Mr. Kay assumes human cognition is static, low, and easily manipulated.  If this premise is true, surely a return to chattel slavery couldn't be far behind.  We've learned nothing. 


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Friday, August 12, 2011 - 3:50pmSanction this postReply
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The U.S. Appeals Court for the 11th Circuit, based in Atlanta, ruled 2 to 1 that Congress exceeded its authority by requiring Americans to buy coverage, but it unanimously reversed a lower court decision that threw out the entire law.

Appeals court rules against Obama healthcare mandate
By Jeremy Pelofsky and James Vicini
WASHINGTON | Fri Aug 12, 2011 5:04pm EDT
(Reuters) - President Barack Obama's signature healthcare law suffered a setback on Friday when an appeals court ruled that it was unconstitutional to require all Americans to buy insurance or face a penalty.





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Tuesday, August 16, 2011 - 9:34amSanction this postReply
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My prediction is, Obama rope-a-dopes this past the election by telling the court "Huh? What did you say? Are you sure? Go check again..." and meanwhile, proceeds with the takeover, convinced he'll take in enough fearful safety addled addicts to politically seal the deal.

These parasites have dug in with both heels, and aren't letting go until their fingers bleed.



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Tuesday, August 16, 2011 - 9:51amSanction this postReply
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"Dozens and dozens" of socialist presidents means at least 2 dozen + at least 2 dozen, or at least 48.  If they are all one-termers, that adds up to 192 years  It adds up to more if the dozens count is more than 2 in either case, or if any get a second term, as most presidents do, or if they alternate with non-socialists.  I doubt that anyone can predict in that much detail that far in advance.  A majority already want to get rid of the program (go to Bing and look up "Americans support Obamacare repeal"), so I wonder what grounds you have for saying they will change their minds.


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Tuesday, August 16, 2011 - 3:43pmSanction this postReply
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Mr. Kay (post 24) has a dim view of humans and their capacity to learn or change - as individuals or as generations. He doesn't see the range of human character that has existed, and that still does exist in our country. He doesn't seem to grasp how quickly a culture can change. The capacity for change in this dimension is what puts us at risk for becoming a nation of dependents, or it can reward us with a return to a nation of individuals responsible for themselves.

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