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Wednesday, July 25, 2012 - 9:44pmSanction this postReply
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EH: "Another way shut up the producers is to guilt-trip them, to make them ashamed of what they’ve earn through their own efforts. Make them feel that they must justify their wealth by its service to their neighbors, and that it is their duty to sacrifice their own wealth and well-being to serve those neighbors."

I agree wholeheartedly that the President's comments were unfounded.  I suggest, though, that you invest too much worry in this sock puppet.  Unlike Vice President Joseph Biden - who serves the same role as did Vice President Dick Cheney, though assuredly not VP Dan Quayle or 30 others - President Barack Obama has no power base of his own and therefore speaks only the words provided to him, granted that his own philosophy must be consonant with those for whom he speaks.

By example, I offer Helena Bonham Carter, the actress who played Bellatrix Lestrange in the Harry Potter movies.  She is not really a witch with powers.  She is not really an evil person.  She just plays a role. 

President Barack Obama also just plays a role, but for him to do so convincingly, he must believe it.  He is, nonetheless, not the originator of his statements.

Again, by analogy, I point to the TV series NUMB3RS.  Judd Hirsch has a degree in physics.  Dylan Bruno has a degree in environmental engineering from MIT. But David Krumholz had no idea what he was saying.  He just read lines. 

President Obama likes the lines he reads.  He believes in them.  But he is just an actor reading lines. 

Now, with Ronald Reagan, he, too, actually believed the lines he read as President.  It was his greatest role.  At a time when American needed someone who could act like the president, he entered stage right.

On the other side of the coin, it takes all kinds, even to be entrepreneurs.  Working bankruptcies, I met a lot of pollyannas, business people who thought that they could pull their company out of the fire if only they worked harder or smarter.  But I never met anyone wracked by guilt.


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Wednesday, July 25, 2012 - 11:24pmSanction this postReply
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Ed,

I couldn't agree with your column more.

Obama and his closest ideological associates hate entrepreneurs, inventors, and risk-takers, and achievers, and they want to strip them of pride in accomplishment.

That's hard to do, when someone took real risks and put in years of of real effort, one speech isn't going to render someone guilt-wracked, but what it will do is claim to take away the foundation of their achievement by assigning it to others.

Just as this president has put the blame for his failures on ATMs, Tsunamis, seasonal weather patterns, George W. Bush, European banks, etc., etc,. he gives away the success earned by others to some teacher they had in the past or some roads and bridges they and other taxpayers paid for. It is as naked an attack of the concept of the earned as anyone could imagine.

It is also a call to tribalism - to Hillary's village - that no man could accomplish anything on their own, and they owe all to others.

This man would never be satisfied with redistributing material wealth. If he can find ways to do it, he would redistribute happiness and pride - taking it from the 'rich' and giving it to the envious and miserable, to those who haven't earned it.

I found it truly evil and I don't believe those were just lines on a teleprompter, I believe it came from that man's soul. That is Barrack Obama standing naked in his deepest desire - that no one be able to succeed on their own, that no one receive a reward that isn't given to them unearned, and that no rewards be distributed until we have all reached salvation (and this last is from his Black Liberation Theology of collective salvation).

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Thursday, July 26, 2012 - 1:45pmSanction this postReply
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You know, Steve, perhaps the clearest explanation is that what the President said seemed true to him because for him, it was: his success is unearned.  Other people put him where he is.  They chose him.  When you compare him to Joseph Biden or Hillary Clinton, the contrast is glaring. Say what you want about them, Biden and Clinton built careers. Obama came from nowhere - and with nothing special to recommend him.  How does that happen?  So, of course, he cannot understand how someone builds a business ... or even a reputation...


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Thursday, July 26, 2012 - 5:53pmSanction this postReply
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Michael,

While you are right that he has been especially favored with the unearned... he had made his way to the Halls of Congress. Try to swing a dead cat in there without hitting someone who isn't an ardent supporter and seeker of the unearned.

I hear what you are saying, but I suspect that you give him too little credit, that you make him too much the puppet. I don't see him being that passive in his life, that submissive. It isn't him. When he stopped doing dope and began to take life seriously, he did it with a gusto for those ideas that matched his inner anger, and a loyalty to those he mistakenly held to his heart as family - his mentors, his mother, and the tales of his father.

I see him as quite potent and moving full-speed ahead in pursuit of his understanding of his destiny as per the strange mixture of collectivist ideas that drive him. Because he lies constantly and fluently we don't know exactly what those ideas are. He is unwilling to compromise on his principles, but he shapes his course according to what will work to get him where he wants to go - that is he is pragmatic in working towards his goals. He is extremely narcissistic and deeply imbued with Saul Alinsky's methodology and lack of conventional morality. I think it would be dangerous to decide we know him well enough to understand where his limits are.

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Friday, July 27, 2012 - 12:39pmSanction this postReply
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Isn't the president just doing what many politicians do well, and that is, count heads?

He is playing to a certain common human weakness; the tendency for the unsuccessful to blame their lack of success on the successful. One Pie World, and the Pie has been taken, not baked.

It is the easiest calculus in the world; the universe is rigged that way.

It is easy to run downhill; in fact, just sanding still often gets you to the bottom of the hill.

As a result, it is crowded at the bottom of the hill. If you are in search of power over all, you go to where the votes are.

Is there anything more deeply intellectual than that going on with his comments? He can count heads, and has contempt for his audience; he is counting on their weakness of character as an asset. He is going to whisper the sweet suggestion that the success of others is theirs for the taking, if only the tribe hands over to him the Magic Stick(more like a club)which is their sanction to let him eat them.

Is it necessary to give him the benefit of the doubt and actually bend over backwards to find a rationale for his comments?

When we look for the deep psychological sources of his attitudes towards business, they are not too hard to figure out. He had a Golden Pass to the Ivy League and law school, obviously so or else he wouldn't be hiding his college transcripts. If I'm running for POTUS, you want to see mine? No problem. Gladly. Same with the past details of my legally disclosed Cayman's Corp, a business aid in conducting commerce overseas. So what is his problem, as a POTUS depending exclusively on his academic credentials, having absolutely no other experience to claim?

And yet, he wants to play to the OWS crowds, and accuse Romney of being successful and making money. He lurches for the class warfare handles at every opportunity, showing his contempt for the folks he his courting at the bottom of the hills, plural.

Romney's reticence in disclosing his tax returns is due entirely to the GOP's decades long abysmal failure to defend freedom in America. A pile of goo languishing at the bottom of the hills has totally caved to the ideas foisted by the democrats, and they are playing that card for all its worth, because it's all they got.

I wonder, do the folks at the bottom of the hill ever notice that the politicians never payup with what they imply? Their votes are bought cheaply, and they live their reward every day for decades.

regards,
Fred

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Saturday, July 28, 2012 - 7:21amSanction this postReply
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Take a look at this post - http://rebirthofreason.com/Forum/Quotes/1861.shtml#5

This quote from Obama could prove to be one of the key turning points in the election. It depends upon whether or not the rest of the Republican pack, particularly Romney, recognizes how well it defines the difference between where Obama wants to go and how he thinks versus Capitalism and a culture of merit and accomplishment. Romney SHOULD come out very strongly standing proud on what he did at Bain and forget about connecting with the common man - talk about the money he made, the people he hired, the companies he turned around and his pride in every bit of that.

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Saturday, July 28, 2012 - 10:32amSanction this postReply
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Steve:

That article is the essence of Obama's statement, I'd agree.

Romney -should- do all that. But he wants to win. American politics is too polluted for him to actually do that and win office.

Like everything else in life, the only path at this point for him to make that speech is to earn it;

1] He needs to win.
2] He needs to turn this free-fall around and prove the point by deliberate contrast with the policies that just failed.
3] Having convincingly done that, if he can pull off that last minute miracle so close to our generations long free-fall and impact, -then- he gets to do the war dance and undeniably make the point-- just as Obama would have if his slop actually worked. It didn't, and so he is in damage control, trying to win a round two.

But that is the problem. Our federal spending trajectory is so severely fucked at this point that nobody is going to be able to -deliberately- turn it around sufficiently in time to avoid the wreck, without measures so drastic that they don't have a prayer of deliberate passage. The last opportunity for deliberate action, I think, was decades ago, and there was insufficient political will; the future will somehow take care of itself. Well, that neglected and over-borrowed from future is here.

And what will happen is, whoever is in power when the wheels have undeniably fallen off the wagon will lose the irrational blame game, and our final 15 minutes of political noise will begin on the way to the long dysfunctional sleep, MadMax world.

A surgical tweak isn't going to cut it. Is Mitt that guy?

I don't know. I hope we'll see. But if he's not, and he wins, he has basically fought his way to the title of designated Fall Guy in Chief.

I -loved- his reponse to NBC's Brian Williams -- so effective that even ABC buried it on their website by mangling the quote with a misprint. Romney was snidely asked by Williams "Are you going to pick an incredibly boring white guy for a running mate?" and Romney immediately responded "You told me you weren't available." That was kick ass Reaganesque. And not widely reported. What a lousy loaded question...and what a great deserved response.

regards,
Fred


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Saturday, July 28, 2012 - 7:58pmSanction this postReply
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Fred,

Mitt is so fortunate in that if he wins, all he as to do is put on his tennis shoes... You know the old joke of the two guys in the woods and one of them has a pair of tennies tied around his neck. He stops to put them on, and the other fellow says, "What are those for?" "In case we are chased by a grizzly bear," is the answer. "But, didn't you know that a grizzly can outrun even a horse?" "Yes," the fellow replies as he finishes tying the shoes, "but I'm not racing a grizzly, just you."

All that we need is a dramatically better place for the money of the world to live. Treat it with respect - no capital gains tax; honor it's privacy (money doesn't commit crimes people do). No death tax. Put a lower tax on corporate earnings that any other nation (make us number 1) and if it is all done as serious, lasting policy based upon good principle - saying, "THIS is America - We don't tie our hands behind our back and then try to out and work!" - then stand back and watch the sparks fly as banks around the world light-up the transfer wires.

Will Mitt realize this? If he did would he have the stones? I don't know. If I were him I'd be putting together some kind of massive tax reform proposal, making it bullet-proof, and working on the timing for its political release.

I don't know if he has much else he can do. If he can't find good ways to cut spending and do real stimulating (lower taxes and lower regulations) then he will, as you say, be the one at the helm when the ship goes under, yelling at his biographer, "Not fair! It wasn't me. My ideas were good!"

I'm optimistic for the short run, because I so love reason and common sense, and the bulk of the American people are good people who do work and catch more of the subtleties than we 'insiders' think. But for the middle-term - say the next two decades, I'm pessimistic. The rot continues to flow from the educational system, the conservatives are still resisting becoming libertarians, some of the conservatives will never take a step towards Libertarianism because the are really just there to be soldiers for Jesus.

And against that backdrop we see these terribly dangerous things happening:

1.) A very vocal and extreme group has a moral ideology that embraces much of day-to-day life and they have some who are unrelenting spokespeople and others who will carry a club. They won't compromise. (Notice that I could be speaking of either radical Islam or American Progressivism).

2.) They have found a political alliance with big money that both are happy with (here I'm only talking about American Progressivism - but look at how Pakistan came into being in 1947 - I assure you, contrary to any claims it was NOT a popular movement - but a tiny, tiny minority of loud mullahs and quiet, monied Muslim landlords and money people, that caused India to be partitioned by the British).

3.) The spokespeople for the minority are finding themselves close enough to owning mainstream media and finally able to openly speak negatively about their real enemies - Capitalism and Individualism. (Side Note: I've been watching and reading the news the world watches and reads this last two weeks. News shows from around the world, Russia, India, France, Dubai, Tokyo, Singapore and from sources as diverse as BBC, CNN, Al-jazzera, TVMonde, etc. They see NONE of the constitutional conservative, fiscal conservative, libertarian viewpoints - NONE. They are all like MSNBC except that most of their coverage is on other parts of the world. The only time that Capitalism is mentioned was when a Charlie Rose interview with two socialists were be quite gleeful in saying that finally the American public can openly question Capitalism and the value of tossing it out.)

4.) A willingness to lie blatantly, to pretend to be speaking for a large majority of people, to use differences to stir up distrust and factionalism and to foment riot, to ignore violence that might be on the part of their supporters while using any other violence as evidence of the other sides evil nature, and to engage in ugly attacks on any opposition and to do so from their made-up moral high-ground through a willing press.

Look back through history and see how often successful revolutions, good or bad, fits some of that paradigm described above... enough to scare anyone? The older I become, the more I think that the majority is rarely at work in times of great change... that instead it is a small minority who have exercised fortuitous alignment of the levers of power.

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Sunday, July 29, 2012 - 12:43amSanction this postReply
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the minority are consistent aka "extremists". the majority are enablers and useful idiots, even if they are peaceful

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Sunday, July 29, 2012 - 2:37amSanction this postReply
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Michael,

I don't necessarily agree with your formulation. For example Objectivists are a truly tiny minority, and could clearly be called extremists in many ways, but we don't make use of initiating violence or deception. In other words, as per my point number 1, this minority doesn't achieve it's ends by carrying a club.

The majority's emotional state appears to be a primary target. Make them scared enough to join a revolt or at least take shelter and don't oppose. And propaganda and deception seem to be needed to ensure they assume the minority is much larger than they are, more in the right than they are, and in possession of some nearly sacred truth. It isn't that the majority are idiots, but that they aren't ideologues or intellects - they are just living their lives.

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