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Wednesday, December 5, 2012 - 10:38amSanction this postReply
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Ed, I for one appreciate your sincere effort to plump for the Grand Old Party, but I fear that you wide of the mark.
Consider for example the approaches taken by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press and Gallup (see table below). The two organizations find similar numbers in favor of a creationist position -- 42% for Pew Research, 44% for Gallup -- although each describes the concept in decidedly different terms. But Pew Research finds far more people believing in natural selection (26% vs. 14% for Gallup) while Gallup finds more subscribing to the view that God or a supreme being guided the evolutionary process (36% vs. 21% for Pew Research).

A majority of the public (62% in a July 2006 Pew Research poll) believes that scientists are generally in agreement about evolution. But fewer believe there is strong scientific evidence in support of evolution. A March 2007 Newsweek survey found just 48% saying evolution was both widely accepted in the scientific community and well supported by evidence.

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1107/polling-evolution-creationism

The Republican Party is not stumbling away from this, but rather a couple of guys who were pretty typical just said what many people believe, i.e., a bunch of contradictory nonsense.


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Wednesday, December 5, 2012 - 12:16pmSanction this postReply
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In the article, Ed said, Republicans want to win elections. And most favor a freer market economy with more limited government. But they must also understand the need for a culture of individualism as the foundation of a free society."

There is a lot of truth there, but there are still problems. While all Republicans want to win elections, they don't agree on how to do that, and some don't want government to be more limited - at least not in all areas.
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There are four major sources of change that are, or will, act on the GOP... that I can see.

1. There is Mother Time who continues to replace one generation with the next. What will younger Republicans hold as their primary beliefs that are different from those they are replacing? For example: Will there be more or fewer who are primarily religious? Will their way of holding their religious beliefs be more tolerable to the voters? I suspect that new generations will still have as many evangelicals who want to express their opinions politically. Will there be as many new GOP fans as in the past? I also suspect that colleges and universities will continue to turn out many more progressives than libertarians. We are seeing the parents of the baby boomers dying - they represented a significant block in the GOP. What happens when their children, the baby-boomers pass on?

2. The struggle against the Democrats is one of the ways the GOP defines and structures itself - as a reaction. We have all seen how the recent elections were viewed through ethnic lenses. The cry is that Hispanics voted against the GOP. The result is energy inside the GOP to find ways to appeal to Hispanics. This reaction-thing isn't a simple factor to analize since social conservatives and fiscal conservatives, RINOs, and GOP moderates and the GOP establishment are all going to have different takes and make different judgments and push out in different ways in adjusting to what they see as the new political landscape.

3. Each of the different factions within the GOP have somewhat different goals. We just saw the GOP establishment (Speaker Boener and his Whip Team) strip Fiscal conservative and libertarian-leaning house members of their committee positions. Is that a trend where the establishment believes that they must move the party to the left to succeed in the future? There is a powerful bias for a two party system. It is nearly impossible for a third party to win an election. Because of that, the goal is for libertarians to capture the GOP - to move it into their principles. But I see that what was a powerful drive in that direction seems to have hit a wall.

4. Major national events - major crisis often act as pivot points for major political change - change for the better or for the worse. I think that the Republican Party is very nearly dead now. It is my guess that we will march toward increasingly larger government and more and more damaging regulations and laws. And, before too long, we will suffer the economic consequences of progressive policies (which have been promoted in differing degrees by both parties). This crisis will be blamed on the Republicans and on Wall Street and on the rich. The Republicans will blame the Democrats but their voices will be drowned out, or just not carried in the mainstream media. As a result, the crisis will be leveraged by the progressives for massively bigger government and more control. The further down this path we go, the greater the social and cultural and political stress and factionalism - a tense and uncomfortable period.

I don't think that there will be a time for limited government to arise as a successful topic until yet another crisis hits - and that being the one where government can no longer borrow or print. Eventually they will not only run out of other people's money, but of markets that will loan to them, and markets that will accept dollars.

The only efficacy this government has now comes from the ability to tax, borrow, and/or print enough to continue to buy people's hopes. When that is gone, they'll be seen as impotent and the state of economic misery will be such that limited government proponents will be heard. The hatred for an Uncle Sam that no longer has a bag of goodies to dispense will be enormous.

I suspect that we are close to the first crisis I mentioned, and the time between then and the economic bottom... I don't know. I do know that downward spirals pick up extraordinary speed as they progress.

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Wednesday, December 5, 2012 - 12:36pmSanction this postReply
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Michael - Your numbers are, sadly, correct. But what I hope for is that Republicans at least will keep these beliefs as personal matters that have little to do with politics. I'd like to see most take Rubio's remarks a step further: "This has nothing to do with public policy. Talk about this issue in other forums." Every time Republicans talk about these issue they make themselves sound silly.

Steve - Your list is a good overview of the factors affecting the future of the GOP. By the way, The Atlas Society as an organization are putting a lot more money and labor into outreach to students, with formal partnerships with Students for Liberty, Young Americans for Liberty, and others.


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Wednesday, December 5, 2012 - 1:11pmSanction this postReply
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Ed,

My estimates of what was going to happen this last election were so wrong that it forced to reevaluate where I think we stand - resulting in a much more pessimistic view.

I think we lost the war many decades ago, but just didn't realize it. It was that persistent, and very successful infestation of colleges and universities with progressives that goes back to before the 1900's - they multiplied and each generation was turning out more progressive professors, journalists, historians, economists, artists, politicians, opinion makers, and voters. The result was not just a shift to left in government, but profound changes through out the culture - the culture itself. I think a political tipping point came and went and we didn't realize it.

I'm not totally pessimistic - I believe that the best ideas will win in the end (even though that might be a long time from now), and because we all possess choice, predictions will always be iffy, and things could change in a very short time (possible but not likely).
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The Atlas Society does good work and I think the focus on students is smart and generates more effect per dollar spent than other approaches. My Niece teaches high school and she was able to get copies of Atlas Shrugged for her class.

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Wednesday, December 5, 2012 - 3:59pmSanction this postReply
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in a way, I think y'all not looking at this in context - consider that a mere 55 years ago, Ayn Rand published AS, a tome challenging 2500 years of a different worldview on man - and in that mere 55 years, her influence has become so strong that this past election is indeed the first seen as positing a moral issue of opposites - AND LOOK HOW CLOSE WE CAME TO WINNING, even on a very flawed candidate.....


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Wednesday, December 5, 2012 - 6:27pmSanction this postReply
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Aye, Robbie, but not with the Grand Old Party. Remember that in Atlas Shrugged, the conservatives were represented by Cuffy Meigs, Paul Larkin, and Mr. Mowen.

The tipping point will not be perceived until after the fact, then, looking back, it will seem obvious. I do not expect any kind of anti-future Galtian collapse, but just the opposite. One day the government will be there, and the next, people will be using FRNs for kite ballast. We will wonder why ever took them seriously.


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Wednesday, December 5, 2012 - 6:34pmSanction this postReply
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Robert,

I certainly like your attitude and that perspective. And I agree with what you've said EXCEPT that the progressives have come even farther, grown even stronger, and they are winning. The proof is in the size of the government, the amount of spending, the size of the debt, the number of regulations, and just how far to the left, in general, the majority of the culture has traveled.

The point, for me, is have we passed a tipping point, where those who vote are going to vote bigger government or smaller government? And with this president's record, having watched him for four years, and seeing the progressive congress dismal record, and experiencing this dead economy... yet they voted as they did.

Hence, I believe we have passed a tipping point and that we were brought here by a captured educational system over a period many decades. That takes a long time to undo.

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