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Friday, June 20, 2014 - 9:20pmSanction this postReply
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It is a toughie, Vera.... If the laissez part of laissez-faire carries weight, then why do you or I care if someone sells weapons or weapons factories?  I mean, suppose that Winchester of Morgan Utah decided to open a factory in Florida?  Why is Florida "home" but "Algeria" is not... To me, home is the actually CITY where I live.  (The only problem with Austin is that it is surrounded by Texas, or so it is said...)  

 

How far away does something have to be to be "foreign" or "alien" enough to be an "export" versus a "sale"?

 

(Edited by Michael E. Marotta on 6/20, 9:20pm)



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Saturday, June 21, 2014 - 1:03amSanction this postReply
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Marotta doesn't see any difference between Algeria and Florida... apart from their respective distances from Utah?  Really?



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Saturday, June 21, 2014 - 4:02amSanction this postReply
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OK Michael - I'll bite: if I don't care that they sell clubs to neanderthals then we don't need a government and an army to defend poor little me against said neanderthals with hightech clubs ... my home is my castle and the 30 acres around it and I found a really cheap tank (klick) to defend them :P

It's not about the foreign or the distance, but about the initiation of force against which said government is supposed to protect me and takes my money for that purpose - so if some hobo in a smelly dress becomes very vocal about putting me in a burka and selling me to his brother, then I do become a bit vocal myself about a government that's selling him the chains to make true on his threats - chains I paid for!

As for the hobo with the club in his smelly dress: let him come - he's absolutely no threat - except that he's smelly ;)



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Saturday, June 21, 2014 - 1:14pmSanction this postReply
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Vera, again, as too often, I failed to make the point in a way that you understood. We can take this up in detail later.  Allow me to assuage your fear that some micreant from Algeria is going to drive over to your place and enslave you.

 

(Most people are victimized by others already in their social circle.  You are far more likely to be assaulted by a domestic partner than by a stranger.  In fact, oddly enough, communities of strangers - transients - can have lower crime rates than the "real" community because they give each other more space and have less reason to interact.)  

 

The deeper issue is: who should make weapons?  If anyone can make one, then anyone can sell one, and anyone can buy one.  Rand had no answer; and she said so.  It is a difficult issue.  I prefer to ask questions.  Sometimes I post them as rhetorical statements.



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Saturday, June 21, 2014 - 3:07pmSanction this postReply
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Michael - then let's try again for clearer communication: my point is not 'no guns & no deals' (though we do have that tiny little problem here in Allemagna), my point is I should not be made to pay / produce the guns that are pointed at me. Add to that the restrictive laws on gun production and ownership this government saddles it's own members with, it's a travesty to sell them to people who threaten my life (though not directly yet - most still drown on their way across the Mediterranean - they should buy some German submarines), while not even allowing me to buy one to defend myself. So if you want free trade, then why can't I buy one of those Fuchs tanks now produced in Algeria? And why can some lunatic in a smelly dress buy them at a discount paid from my taxes?

As for the bigger picture: of course capitalism defends free association in trade - so if you're the guy with the biggest club on the block feel free to market your superior product. But let me ask you one question: is it in your own best selfish interest to sell that club to the goon on the corner who wants to put you out of business? Our government seems to think so - I doubt many rational capitalists would. And I'm quite sure Ayn could even give me some pithy quote to summarize this little non-problem ... it's lunacy!

As for the big big picture: who needs weapons in a world of rational beings living by free association free of force? And who can afford weapons in a world that does not?



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Sunday, June 22, 2014 - 1:38amSanction this postReply
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The key Vera is to supply both sides so they kill one another for the next 50 years and are unable to even think about submarines headed to your own back yard! "Smirks".   Kind of reminds me of that movie with Nicholas Cage, "Lord of War".



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Sunday, June 22, 2014 - 10:31amSanction this postReply
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wishful thinking Jules: they are so incompetent most of the times they don't even know where they are exactly and whom they are killing there or for what reason ... but I'll make sure to post a sign at my fence: 'Danger to inferiority! Here there be dangerous people with an intelligent club - you be having only a big one you better be moving on to more fertile lands of lunacy where big club still being important' ... maybe I should post that sign at the Reichstag - but then it would be completely empty instead of the usual 3/4 empty :D



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