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Post 140

Friday, August 12, 2005 - 5:28amSanction this postReply
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Michael,

Scientists do not use faith. There is more to faith then you described with "Faith is merely the belief in something that has not yet been proven."

Faith: Belief in something when it lacks evidence or even has contrary evidence.

Knowledge: Belief in a concept supported by observations of reality, induction, and deduction. "Grasps an aspect of reality. (importanceofphilosophy.com)"

Confidence: Belief that a concept is true (or false): supported by many observations of reality, induction, and deduction, while lacking contrary evidence.



"Every scientist who has ever accomplished anything has had faith."
No, a scientist does not necessarily believe his hypothesis is true until it is supported by an experiment-- or many experiments. Have you studied the scientific method?

"Faith in their work, faith in their intelligence, faith that they will succeed."
No, not faith, but confidence. The confidence comes from past successes. Maybe even some scientists do not have confidence that they will succeed... but they try anyways, just incase they might discover something incredible.

"Going to the moon was an act of faith, faith that it could be done."
Maybe if the people who went to the moon were a group of faithers sitting in a cardboard box covered with tin foil. Now really... NASA scientists and engineers studied the earth, the moon, and space. They figured out what was necessary to accomplish the mission. They proposed possible solutions for each constraint, and once all of the constraints were met, they had confidence that they could do it.



Basing one's decisions on knowledge is useful when choosing what to do to achieve a goal. This is because knowledge is dependent on reality.

Basing decisions on faith is either useless or even counter-productive when choosing what to do to achieve a goal. This is because one's faith is independent of reality or even contrary to.
(Edited by Dean Michael Gores
on 8/12, 8:13pm)


Post 141

Friday, August 12, 2005 - 8:55pmSanction this postReply
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DMG,


Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


gw


Post 142

Friday, August 19, 2005 - 1:39amSanction this postReply
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great, word games...........


Post 143

Friday, August 19, 2005 - 6:15amSanction this postReply
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Michael,

Dean's post wasn't a word game, it was a legitimate, important, and classic point.  However, if we dissect your phrase and look at the etymology of each word we see that what you really said was, "Dean, I see your point and concede." :)

Sarah


Post 144

Tuesday, January 3, 2006 - 12:21pmSanction this postReply
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"…a doctrine which is able to maintain itself not in clear light but only in the dark, will of necessity lose its effect on mankind, with incalculable harm to human progress. In their struggle for the ethical good, teachers of religion must have the stature to give up the doctrine of a personal God, that is, give up that source of fear and hope which in the past placed such vast power in the hands of priests…. The further the spiritual evolution of mankind advances, the more certain it seems to me that the path to genuine religiosity does not lie through the fear of life, and the fear of death, and blind faith, but through striving after rational knowledge."

[Albert Einstein, address at the Princeton Theological Seminary, May 19, 1939, published in Out of My Later Years, New York: Philosophical Library, 1950.]



So did Einstein change his mind? Or did he define God as the "still-unknown", or maybe a grand unified theory? Perhaps I should find out more about what he thought "God" actually was...

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Tuesday, January 3, 2006 - 5:56pmSanction this postReply
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Put it in context, too - just as one must put Aquinas in context of his times, in how much one could get away with saying in effect - no need therefore of a god...

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