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(Originally posted in different form on the "Passion of the Critics of Ayn Rand's Critics" thread.)

"As a biographer, I would have written about her development of the Objectivist Ethics, epistemology and esthetics. These are the essentials to me and yet no one has written about them. " [Jim Heaps-Nelson]

There is certainly a great need for "intellectual biography" whether small insights or entire books. And not just on those three branches of philosophy as topics (that would be too needlessly self-limiting an assignment).

How did Ayn Rand -become- Ayn Rand, mentally, cognitively?

We have one of history's great minds in front of us. What might possibly be most valuable to learn from such a person (beyond and deeper than details of her romantic life, personal struggles, scandals)?

When you study something towering, which reaches further than other buildings can, what might you want to learn about it?

Most of us are very, very far from having achieved the persuasive power, knowledge base, reasoning level, ability to essentialize, or writing skills of Ayn Rand. To name five things.

The most important thing about one of history's geniuses, one who flourished in our own time not five hundred years or two millennia ago, is that we have access to how this person developed from her own journals and letters and early writings not merely from associates. Unlike Aristotle, we have not lost all the knowledge about this person.

We need to understand the following in far greater depth than we do:

How did she induce the philosophy?

What do the journals tell us?

Was it a specific series of steps?

Was Ayn Rand's distinctive *methodology* involve?

And does it have its own developmental history?

Did her private conversations help?

What of this is applicable to things -we- can use?

...And a dozen more questions like this.

--Philip Coates

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Perhaps a good, concrete way to kick off the thread is with the most extensive record of her thinking process, the Journals, especially since they are out in book form?

For those who have read the book and, hopefully, can refer to it - what changes would you say there are in such things as the scope of her concerns, intellectual precision, and degree of certainty (e.g., asking questions of herself vs. providing answers)?

I. e., what changes between the early years and the latter journal entries, or between the early journal entries and the philosophical essays of the 60s and 70s?

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Hi Phil,

I certainly don't want to make this thread a debate over Ayn Rand: The Russian Radical, and I do appreciate the fact that you were honest in admitting that you'd not finished my book---going so far as to recommend horse-whipping for this crime (with which I obviously agree).  But I figured I'd answer your one comment here (with thanks also to Steve Shmurak here):

But just as reducing Ayn Rand to a thinker in the Aristotelian tradition is too glib, not a full and thorough exploration of her uniqueness and doesn't begin to address all the questions I list, reducing Ayn Rand to a dialectical thinker in the Russian tradition [if that is what CS does] would have analogous shortcomings.
I can see how you might come to that conclusion in a less-than-full reading of my book.  I realize too that you "found the academic style and lack of brevity unpalatable so I simply set it aside..sorry Chris." But the book was written as part of a larger trilogy on the history of dialectical thinking, and it was also written with an eye toward presenting Rand's philosophy not only within that context, but also to a scholarly audience.  (I'm actually in the process of writing several essays for various publications, and sitting for several interviews for various periodicals, all on the occasion of the tenth anniversary of Russian Radical and Marx, Hayek, and Utopia, the first two books of my "Dialectics and Liberty" trilogy, which Total Freedom completes.)

Given this context, I can only say, briefly, that while I situate Rand in a larger Russian dialectical tradition, I situate her more generally in a larger Aristotelian dialectical tradition, since I consider Aristotle the father of dialectical inquiry.  That is made even clearer in Total Freedom (chapter one is called: "Aristotle: The Fountainhead").  And I also state, quite self-consciously, that my take on Rand is a "one-sided" take; in other words, I admit the shortcomings of putting forth a particular view of Rand's corpus from a particular vantage point.  But sometimes it is important to focus selectively on various aspects of a thinker's work in order to make apparent something significant that is often obscured by other interpretive takes.

As to your formal questions in this thread... I don't know how Rand became Rand precisely, but the first four chapters of Russian Radical, at the very least, provide us with a much more detailed context for understanding the conditions in which she began her intellectual adventures.  I think she learned a lot from her Russian surroundings, both positively (methodologically) and negatively (in terms of rejecting the miseries of collectivism), having been raised in the grand Russian Silver Age, and having been educated by the last gasp of Old World professors before they were exiled, imprisoned, or murdered by the Soviets.  And now, with the release of her journals and letters, we can begin to trace the influence on her thought of everything from Hollywood to Isabel Paterson.  There is an inordinate amount of work yet to be done, but I think that scholars have taken the necessary first steps in this project.


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Sunday, May 29, 2005 - 9:37pmSanction this postReply
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'Man in the mirror' is a great track you shouldn't go too long without listening to. One's appreciation seems to me to exist in a legalistic vacuum such that following any given criminal trial weighs on aesthetic judgements not at all.

I have never seen the logic in pursuing the histology of the Ayn Rand phenomena. The thinker takes what he needs from Ayn's ideas and 'Greenspans' away once he's had his fill. Expending one's attention on Ayn's personality is something apart from being a thinker, something a little bit nearer to diciple-hood.

The ideas are good. Why bother making a personal connection to the author? Who cares what Ayn Rand used to eat for breakfast? Would this philosophy by any other road, or by any other marmalade for your toast, not be as wholesome in the consuming?


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That's the same error as religion - accepting something as a given, without how or why it came into being......

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Hey, Rick, I really like "Man in the Mirror"! :)
 
When we get to the "bottom line," I actually agree with you:  We all adhere to that famous Spanish proverb that Rand and Branden were fond of quoting:  "Take what you want and pay for it."  Which means, in this context:  Take what you want from Rand's ideas, and take the responsibility for making them your own, integrating them with your own context of knowledge and experience... and move on.  And, in reality, that is what we all do.
 
But there is legitimacy to the study of intellectual history.  And it's quite apart from needing to make "a personal connection to the author," as you suggest.  It's certainly not about what Rand ate for breakfast!  :) 
 
Everything that exists has a past, a present, and many future implications.  It's like that whether we are talking about the computer that I'm typing on, the social system in which we live, or something as abstract as an intellectual system of thought.  For example, it's a bit more obvious (to me at least) why a historical study of our current social system would have relevance:  Understanding how the current social system became what it is and understanding how it functions today are both helpful if our aim is changing that social system.
 
For this thread, however, let's focus just on the notion of intellectual history:  studying the genesis and evolution of a system of thought---its past, present, and possible future implications.  It's of interest to trace the origins of an idea or a system of thought for several reasons: 
 
1.  It allows us to situate the ideas in an historical context, which might help us to understand both the relevance and application of those ideas to the specific circumstances in which they were conceived (thus suggesting its possible limitations) as well as the current circumstances to which such ideas might still have relevance.  Take Rand's anti-communism:  It's of historical interest to relate Rand's anti-communism to the circumstances in which that anti-communism took root---not only as a response to the horrors of Soviet communism, which Rand witnessed and experienced, but also as something much more universally relevant.  As Rand said about We the Living:  it wasn't just about the strangling, "airtight" environment of communism, but a testament against all forms of collectivism and statism.  And it carried more universal implications about the sanctity of the individual.
 
2.  It allows us to trace the cross-fertilization of ideas, which might help us to understand why certain ideas in certain contexts may have meant one (valid) thing, and something quite different when transposed to another context.  Take Karl Marx:   We know that he was influenced by Feuerbach and Hegel.  Surprisingly, however, he accepts a lot of Aristotelian realism and "social ontology." He accepts quite a few "evolutionist" ideas from the Scottish Enlightenment figures (such as Adam Smith, Adam Ferguson, David Hume) as well as quite a few ideas about the power of reason from the French Enlightenment (which was actually far more rationalist, in the bad "constructivist" sense that both Hayek and Rand repudiate).  Each of these ideas taken in isolation has very different implications than their attempted integration.  It's not enough to condemn Marx outright:  Trying to unravel the mess that is Marx's framework helps us to identify precisely where Marx went wrong, what specific threads in the tapestry of his thought are lethal. 
 
3.  Thus, the study of intellectual history allows us to learn from the traditions we study:  to identify what's right, discard what's wrong, and move on.  In other words, it allows us to "take what we want" from the various traditions we study, "and to pay for it," in precisely the way described above. 
 
Just a few things to consider, I think, in justifying the study of ideas and their historical evolution over time:  how they were born, what they meant, what they mean, and where they might lead us--logically and empirically.


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There is an enormous practical value to this thread, not merely academic curiosity about how a genius grew herself. Had Rick not posted, I would not have realized the need to elaborate. In general "accepting something as a given, without how or why it came into being" [Robert] is a bad idea. It hinders your ability to use it, to integrate it, to "cross-fertilize" it with other things (to use Chris's term).

The child is father to the man. If you don't know how something came to be you don't fully know its identity (or use).

Chris discussed some of this in the case of intellectual history. In the case of Ayn Rand, all we have to do is look around at Objectivists:

None of them have reached Ayn Rand's level of eloquence, originality, genius...and impact on the world. Not even close! And I think part of this is the failure to study Ayn Rand thoroughly enough: What she did right, not the soap opera stuff. [Perhaps I should have named the thread "what Ayn Rand did right", since intellectual development sounds a bit too academic or abstract.]

The reason for this topic is because - as activists, as people who want Objectivism to have impact on the world - by studying how she did it, we can learn how we can do it. And as individuals - in our personal careers and goals, independent of the Objectivist movement - by studying the career arc and thought processes of a towering intelligence we can raise our own intelligence.

Unless you think you are already Ayn Rand and the Objectivists you know and the movement are successful and winning. And you are as bright and successful as you need to be. Then you should simply ignore this thread...and can I have your autograph?

Phil

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Yes, "it's the ideas that count." But the ideas are about living life, right? One reason that biography is important is precisely because we can see how ideas play out in people's lives. Not, perhaps, always their stated ideas, but their operative ones. While Rand's case is not decisive, of course, there is a real and vital question: can one live as an Objectivist, and will this actually lead to happiness? And, what could be less Objectivist than to believe that Objectivism and Ayn Rand appeared out of the thin blue sky one day, fully developed and complete?

When considering any writer, it is impossible to divorce our subject from her historical context. For example, that Ayn Rand was such an insightful critic of Communism, and collectivism, generally, just may have had something to do with her personal background. Witnessing violence as a young person, and then nearly starving to death, will tend to leave an impression. Just guessing here.

That Rand was a smart girl raised by a Jewish family in an Orthodox Christian and authoritarian country in the early years of the 20th Century tells us something about her context, surely. Her admiration for Kerensky suggests something about her early political perspective, and something that is often ignored. The impact of her early exposure to Nietzsche was described by Rand herself.

And, Victor Hugo, and then Hollywood, maybe, just maybe, had a bit of an influence on Rand’s approach to her craft.

At university, how she was taught history, and how—and by whom--she was exposed to the Greek philosophers, is at least worthy of investigation, I would have thought.

Nor can the impact that America itself made on Rand be ignored, and her love for many American things, starting with her husband.

Nor can her relationships with other intellectuals be ignored, and the single most important influence among these was surely her once-close rapport with Isabel Paterson.

Despite what critics have said, Rand herself gave us pretty good leads as to her influences.

All that said, can we think of another person who came out of Russia’s Silver Age and/or Hollywood’s Golden Age who ended-up quite like Ayn Rand? It cannot be just her experience and/or her genes. Let me suggest another, still more important factor: Rand took the effort to think. She made the choice of sustained thought.

The day is finally approaching when Rand will be fully appreciated her contributions, but, to reach this, we must understand the context from they emerged.

(Edited by James S. Valliant
on 5/30, 11:59am)

(Edited by James S. Valliant
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Phil,

Another gold mine for understanding Rand's thinking process besides the journals is the backmatter in the 2nd Edition of IOE. It has Rand working in counterpoint with other intellectuals and refining their ideas with probing logical queries. It also has some of the only philosophy of science material in the Objectivist corpus.

Jim


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Another thing we can do is study other protean geniuses who have written enough about their thought processes for us to make some kind of determination about how they approach intellectual problems. One example is Richard Feynman.

In his Lectures on Computation he talks about how when he solves problems, he reads a bit about the problem then goes off to work on the problem without aid of the "text". He doesn't want to know too much about how someone else has solved the problem. He only comes back to the "text" when he's really stuck.

The problem is this: we can't really understand a subject thoroughly without creating our own mental framework for understanding it. To be first-handed we have to understand a solution by recreating it. And we should try to do it largely from scratch. Why? Because the mental framework from which we will understand the solution will be our own and we can't get out of that.

The spiral theory of knowledge works that way. First, we gather ideas, then we create a mental framework on our own, then we come back to see how an expert solved the problem and see how "dumb" our own solution was and then we have a fuller understanding of what was right about the expert's solution. The farther we travel in creating our own framework dictates the degree to which we can make original contributions based on an existing body of knowledge.

Jim


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Well, when I become famous [cough,cough], then u may look thru my ideas journals of 30 some years[ it's now almost 2 feet high of papers], and see what is there to discover..... :-)


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Ah yes, Robert. As much as I study the chess moves of Robert J. Fischer, I will never beat him. I will have compiled about a 1000 interesting ways to lose, however :-).

Jim


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I think the two James's have each made highly important points:

1. "To be first-handed we have to understand a solution by recreating it. And we should try to do it largely from scratch." [James HN] One of Rand's complaints about the history of philosophy was that the next philosopher always seems to start with the mess the previous philosopher left. What she did was step way from the steaming pile of ****, take out a blank sheet of paper and ask what is the most fundamental question to be asked here? E.g., "why do men even NEED a code of ethics?" Part of her method was being very self-conscious about what question to ask. So, Rand's concern with -method- [in this way and others] is a key part of how she made herself brilliant and original.

2. "Let me suggest another, still more important factor: Rand took the effort to think. She made the choice of sustained thought." [James V] Barbara Branden made a similar point when she said she had never met anyone more hard-working than Ayn Rand.

A key part of genius is unremitting effort. Constantly working. Constantly writing in her journals. Working twelve years on a novel. Inventing the philosophy behind it so it would be right. Not being satisfied with anything less. Discussing ideas passionately with her whole mind and soul late into the night.

Or Edison and the single-minded over and over trying to invent the light bulb, failure after failure. Sleeping on his desk. Edison's own famous quote on the nature of genius.

The key concept here could best be called diligence. Ayn Rand was an enormously diligent thinker. Diligence is not merely hard work, but conscientious, scrupulous, attentive work - a combination of effort and care, not merely sweat but precision. And focused effort sustained over years and decades. As opposed to, "well, I gave it fifteen minutes of thought, so now I'm done with it."

My suspicion is that this more than any single factor is what most people, including Objectivists, are missing intellectually. And this more than any single factor makes a genius. So this means virtually any of us with undamaged minds and methods can become geniuses if we start moving relentlessly (and on the right track, as opposed to going over a cliff) and sustain it enough.

Phil

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Ayn Rand liked to say, "Check your premises." I expect that it was her habit to make a conscious check of her premises before she opened her mouth or touched pen to paper. Too often we accept the premises of others and argue on their terms. A conscious check of premises only takes a second.

That's one tangible habit of hers that we might make our own. 


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Agree, Phil - am always thinking on problems of aesthetics, and seeking to detail that part of philosophy... even when on other project, there is always a sifting in the mind, a mulling over things, which at end of day, sometimes can put on to paper, and hopefully make into extended work.... not to mention the theme/titling of rendering yet to do....

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Yes, check your premises. But it's more than that. Check your whole way of thinking about things. Think about all of the crazy scientific paradoxes from Einstein to quantum mechanics that bedevil philosophy of science. You'll find that many of them depend on the separability of attributes of entities and consideration in isolation. What if that separation simply can't be done?

When Einstein came up with relativity, he asked the question: what would it be like to travel on a light beam? That velocity has to come from somewhere. Where does it come from? Forces. How are forces carried? Particles. So could I travel faster than a particle that was carrying the force that was pushing me? No!

There's an interesting article the April issue of American Scientist that should give many of us hope for studying geniuses. When Richard Feynman came up with Feynman diagrams to explain electron-electron interactions, he had a hard time proving their validity to other scientists. Freeman Dyson took five years and painstakingly translated the diagrams into mathematical form and proved their validity. We probably can do something similar with some of Rand's more inscrutable methods and make her tools our own.

Jim


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"A conscious check of premises only takes a second."

Whew. Not for us non-cyborgs. If I have an inkling that some preconceived notion of mine is wrong, and I get this feeling more than one or two times, then I perhaps do a little "soul searching" and checking of my premises. It may take a long time of searching to find the error. For instance, I have had an uncomfortable feeling for a couple of years about my understanding of rights as regards niof. It has only been since I've been involved w/ SOLO that I'm beginning to see the error. And I've still not worked it out. I might get all that down to one second if, say, I could see a 2x4 coming at my head. But probably not.

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Dear Dr Sciabarra:  Did you receive my EM about "The Library of Ayn Rand" auction?  If not please get in touch with me as some items may relate to you and/or members.  Thanks, Michael (archangels@att.net)

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The mathematician Niels Henrik Abel (1802-1829) had a good advice on how to acquire mastery of a subject.
By studying the masters and not their pupils.


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What a strange thread. Actually I think discussions about geniuses are often unsatisfying and I think Phil’s is a good example. One problem I see is the implication that genius is a kind of species. I see it as a quick, high functioning and creative mind. I don’t see how diligence has much to do with making lightening quick calculations, increasing ones scope, or enhancing creative insight.

 

It’s like in tennis or art, you work with your talents. The earlier you start the quicker you can integrate input, connections, results/conclusions, and test it all out in the blink of eye…but not everyone, regardless of intent or diligence, is going to have the talent to brilliantly master and be innovators in their field. And perhaps one had the capacity to function on the highest levels but if they start out late…they may never catch up to what could have been.  I also think that is the nagging feeling that many people experience: that they know they have the capacity for more but can’t seem to get a handle on it.

 

I understand studying the best; it’s a great way to learn. But there is a point when it is wise to simply love what you can do.

 

Michael


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