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Saturday, September 2, 2006 - 6:43pmSanction this postReply
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Take it away!  It's all yours!  :)

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Saturday, September 2, 2006 - 7:47pmSanction this postReply
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God, I am exhausted, and now I have this performance pressure?

I appreciate the invitation, if anyone wants to respond to, question or challenge something I said on another thread elsewhere, they can post here, and I'll respond at length.

I've been getting together arguments on the 1st Amendment & Islam, but because I ran short on toilet tissue, my Qur'an is incomplete. I will get back to that argument once I can get the plunger to retrieve the appropriate Suras

;D

Ted

AMRIKA AKBAR!

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Saturday, September 2, 2006 - 7:56pmSanction this postReply
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SEIZE The KERGUELENS!

Given that the US doesn't currently have the moral courage to summarily execute Islamist war criminals, and we don't know what to do with the feculent contents of Gitmo, or what to do with traitors such as the murderer-and-would-be-catamite formerly known as John Walker Lindh, I have a suggestion.

There is a very remote uninhabited island chain in the Southern Indian Ocean, the Kerguelen seamount, so far from land and so insignificant (just a few gulls, penguins and breeding seals) that it is omitted from many smaller Atlases.

This island chain would serve as a wonderful "Devil's island" whither to send our perpetual prisoners of war and other traitors and scum. We could stock one of the smaller treeless islands with swine which would live off the wildlife, and the exiles sent there could then live off the swine. (Don't worry about the seals and penguins, they will go to the other islands, and given the currents and freezing water the prisoners should not be able to reach them.) Maintaining a small NATO garrison to prevent rescues would be simple, and a small nuclear device buried on the island could serve as a self-destruct in case of necessity, our wardens would have a bunker and any blast would have little global effect.

The immediate propaganda effect of this would be devastating. "Want to be a martyr? Captured jihadis, terrorists and those who commit treason will be dropped naked from a helicopter, and can eat pigflesh, or each other, or die. No soup for you! (And no sex-slaves in the hereafter.)"

This plan is just about flawless, although there is one further minor detail I should mention. The Islands are nominally French territory. But as our reliable NATO allies, I'm sure they won't object.

TSK 09/02/06 NYC ;D

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Saturday, September 2, 2006 - 8:58pmSanction this postReply
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Sounds about right:

Rain, sleet or snow falling more than 300 days a year... Cook Glacier covers nearly one third of the island..100 mph winds....subantartic climate 3000 miles south of the bottom of Afirca...endless bird shit = guano droppings everywhere...swamps...treeless and windswept and almost no plant life except mosses...50 foot waves and frigid water..also knows as Desolation Island...failed colonization attempts, failed sheep-raising attempts, failed whaling attempts...inhabited by about 70 french scientists and satellite trackers...whom the Islamists can undoubtedly either convert, eat, or make them their bitches.

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Sunday, September 3, 2006 - 2:04pmSanction this postReply
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Voici l'ile Kerguelen!

Hmmm, I wonder if a hardy group of Objectivists could make this into Galt's Archipelago? No taxes or government regulations. No religious nuts. Just good, thinking achievers ready to make a buck -- in gold, of course! -- by exploiting virgin territory. (I've always advocated exploiting Antarctica.)





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Sunday, September 3, 2006 - 2:33pmSanction this postReply
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All it would need is a nuclear power plant - and paradise could readily be obtained......

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Sunday, September 3, 2006 - 4:20pmSanction this postReply
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Kerguelens = Atlantis? / Outlaw (2 Parts)

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OUTLAW

One very useful concept that has dropped out of usage, but which derives from common law, is that of the "outlaw." We are currently crippled in our fight against the islamists by the Left's insistence that there is no such thing as an enemy or a war crime, and by the Right's reluctance or failure to make explicit the moral and political issues involved.

For instance, before we toppled Saddam we were categorically ~not~ at peace with the Iraqi regime. Saddam had breached the terms of the Gulf War armistice within a month of the cessation of hostilities. Given that there was no peace treaty (i.e., definitive cessation of war) with the Iraqi regime and that an armistice is a temporary and conditional truce, Saddam's (1) violence against his populace, (2) failure to prove he had destroyed his armaments and (3) unceasing daily attacks against the coalition's "no-fly" patrols were all acts of war. THE GULF WAR NEVER ENDED!!! We were in a de facto and de jure state of war for the remainder of GHWB's & all of Clinton's presidencies, and those two men, who had sworn to uphold the laws and treaties of the U.S. and to protect the U.S. from her enemies should both have been impeached. By using force to remove Saddam, GWB was not going to war, he was ~ending~ the war.

Yet neither the GWB administration nor the press nor anyone in the punditocracy ever made the argument. Given that the emperor had already been naked for 12 years, no one wanted to comment at that late hour on his clothing. We were now going to pick his hair for nits in the U.N. and with trial balloons. Hence the unfortunate and awkward need to manufacture a new casus belli, the non-concept of WMD. This fatal fiction that the Whitehouse conjured up was a meaningless mental contagion that opened Bush up for attack after the "cessation of major hostilities." No matter what weapons were found, or traced to Syria, or to the bottom of the Persian Gulf, Bushes foes and the Left were never going to admit that ~those~ weapons were ~the~ weapons of mass destruction.

And just as the administration had failed to explain that we were ~already~ at war, and that the burden was ~Saddam's~ to show he had destroyed the weapons his own generals had admitted to possessing at the time of the armistice, the administration has now failed to argue that the Gitmo detainees are not felons but war-criminals and outlaws, and it has failed to make explicit the moral justification for using overwhelming force and summary justice to vanquish our enemies. It is too late to say "Oh, yeah, we forgot, you guys in Gitmo have by your own actions put yourselves outside the protections of law, and we are going to shoot you all tomorrow at dawn." The party-political implications would be unacceptable both domestically and with our allies. We have morally disarmed ourselves.

It is time to re-arm. As a matter of domestic law we must re-state and re-affirm the concepts of treason and sedition and we must return to treating outlaws – capital felons, murderers, or traitors and the like who have intentionally removed themselves from the state and the state's protections - as outlaws, and permanently exile them to hell on earth or hell itself.

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GALT'S GULCH?

I first came up with the idea of exploiting the Kerguelens a year ago when arguing with my O'ist bro-in-law that we needed to bring back exile as a tool in law enforcement. Exile is cheaper for society than is life imprisonment of criminals, and it is not irrevocable as is the death penalty. Also, it is much less pleasant and a much better deterrent than prison. Perusing my Atlas I chose the Kerguelen's for their remoteness and unpleasantness and as better than Tristan da Cunha or South Georgia because they belong to our state enemy France and not an ally.

But as a Dane by descent I happen to love cold and wet weather, and after reading Coates' above response last night it occurred to me that while desert-dwellers mind find the Kerguelens hellish, I would find them ideal. The thought came that perhaps the islands might be of better use. And I now see that Hudgins and Malcom parallel my thoughts. What could possibly be a better cover to keep out trespassers than appearing to be a barren, frozen, frog-infested fen? (P.M, S.V.P.) Maybe Galt's already there. Does anyone know how much parcel postage would cost to send the French scientists a copy of Atlas Shrugged?

Ted Keer 09/03/06 NYC


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Sunday, September 3, 2006 - 5:04pmSanction this postReply
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T ake it over - I doubt the Frogs could muster a 'F--kingIsland'   escapee, or care to.....

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Sunday, September 3, 2006 - 10:47pmSanction this postReply
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> Voici l'ile Kerguelen! [Ed]

Monsieur Edouard le Hudgins,

Moi, je ne veut pas aller a cette isle plein des Francais* ou on marche toujours sur le "guano" et c'est toujours froid et le vent Antartique n'arrete pas.

> make this into Galt's Archipelago

Ce n'est pas un "archipelago"!! Cest un -isle-, un isle trop petit, un isle de desolation que le dieu et le Galt a perdu et que seulement le Comte de Monte Cristo peut aimer.

philippe

*que les Americains appellent les "cheese-eating surrender monkeys"

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Monday, September 4, 2006 - 1:15pmSanction this postReply
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...the phrase "Islamic fascism"...[has] value...

(In response to Coates on Greatest Danger thread)

The proper phrase is "fascist islam," is it not? Has one ever heard of, or could one imagine, "benevolent islam" or "innovative islam" or "productive islam" or "tolerant islam?" Is not fascism the ~essence~ of islam? To speak of "islamic fascism" implies that there might be "islamic" anything else.

AMRIKA AKBAR! Death to the fidels! (And Fidel) AMRIKA AKBAR!


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Tuesday, September 5, 2006 - 8:03amSanction this postReply
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Actually what it is time to do is to return (if that's possible) to moral government here at home. This implies ending all military adventures abroad and ending all foreign aid.

It means not sticking your nose into beehives. If you don't want to get stung, that's the best strategy.


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Tuesday, September 5, 2006 - 5:39pmSanction this postReply
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Bonsoir Phil, mon ami!
Pardonez moi mais je n’ecrive pas bien la Francaise.
Je ne desire pas a vivre in l’ile de guano. J’espire que nous employon la guano a faire chaleur! Guano combustible! C’est vrai que ile de Kerguelen est trop desole pour dieu. Mais pas voisin bruyant!

Au voir!
Edward


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Tuesday, September 5, 2006 - 7:01pmSanction this postReply
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Mes amis,

On ne doit pas utiliser le guano a faire la chaleur, c'est plus util aux choses agronomiques et chemiques. L'electrite nuclaire serait meilleure. Et les oiseaux ne font pas de merde quand il y a beaucoup de maisons et d'edifices ou ils ne peuvent pas reproduire ou mettre ses oeufs.

J'ai peur que nous laisserons les non-francophones ennuies, et je preferais bien parler quoi-quelles d'autres langues que celle des Grenouilles.

Ted
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Wednesday, September 6, 2006 - 5:15amSanction this postReply
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Given that the US doesn't currently have the moral courage to summarily execute Islamist war criminals, and we don't know what to do with the feculent contents of Gitmo, or what to do with traitors such as the murderer-and-would-be-catamite formerly known as John Walker Lindh, I have a suggestion.
Most of the people at Gitmo haven't even been charged with anything. Do you think people should be tried by a jury?


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Wednesday, September 6, 2006 - 5:32amSanction this postReply
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For instance, before we toppled Saddam we were categorically ~not~ at peace with the Iraqi regime. Saddam had breached the terms of the Gulf War armistice within a month of the cessation of hostilities.
Of course, the US government was once at peace with Saddam Hussein. They were giving him money in the 1980's.

Do you honestly think the US government wants peace? Peace would mean having to bring troops home and cutting military spending. They certainly don't want peace.
those two men, who had sworn to uphold the laws and treaties of the U.S. and to protect the U.S. from her enemies should both have been impeached.
When did Iraq ever attack the US?
By using force to remove Saddam, GWB was not going to war, he was ~ending~ the war.
Are you saying that the war in Iraq is over? If so, what is the US military doing there?
Hence the unfortunate and awkward need to manufacture a new casus belli, the non-concept of WMD.
Have you considered the possibility that they have lied about other things, such as what really happened on 11 September 2001? Have you considered the possibility that Bush and his cronies can't really be trusted at all?
the administration has now failed to argue that the Gitmo detainees are not felons but war-criminals and outlaws
And as the movie The Road to Guantanamo shows, all you have to do to get sent there is be in the wrong place at the wrong time. The Tipton Three got released after two years because they hadn't done anything.
it has failed to make explicit the moral justification for using overwhelming force and summary justice to vanquish our enemies.
That's because they have no moral justification for creating enemies and then vanquishing them.
We have morally disarmed ourselves.
A few people here still believe in some morality. I'm one of the few who does.


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Wednesday, September 6, 2006 - 6:57amSanction this postReply
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Chis, keep telling yourself things that, I hope that at least it makes you feel better.

As for Gulching on an island off Antarctica? Hell freakin' no! I hate the cold, it was bad enough living in upstate NY. Can't y'all find a nice Caribbean or South Pacific island to set up shop. I'll come, I swear.

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Wednesday, September 6, 2006 - 9:19amSanction this postReply
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I'm with Clarence...I wanna Gulch someplace where I can go topless and drink pina coladas.  Save the Kerguelens for the Islamofascist exiles.

Excellent posts, by the way, Ted.


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Wednesday, September 6, 2006 - 10:43amSanction this postReply
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Well, ye see - that's the beauty of the nuclear reactor = the outsourcing heat can be piped via underground thermal heaters like is done in Iceland et al with their geothermals, thus creating a wonderfully thawed and viable place to live - to go topless even ;-D...

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Wednesday, September 6, 2006 - 11:34amSanction this postReply
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Just who is Chris Baker?

Does anyone honestly think Chris wants peace? Peace would mean being able to redeploy troops and redirecting military resources. He certainly doesn't want peace. Has anyone considered the possibility that he has lied about other things, such as what really happened on 11 September 2001? Has anyone considered the possibility that Chris and his arbitrary assertions can't really be trusted at all?

These are your own words, Chris, have you already forgotten them? [-rev.]

Chris says a few people here still believe in some morality. Chris says he is one of the few who does. Many others here don’t just ~believe~ in ~some~ morality, they understand and they follow a consistent morality. Has anyone considered that Chris might be an Al Qaida mole, planted here to subvert this list? Maybe he’s just in the wrong place at the wrong time. After all, when has he ever defended the U.S.?

Chris, write reasoned ~arguments~ in paragraph form and answer my Fatwa against you, post 72 on the Greatest Danger thread without dropping the context of my statements or forgetting what you yourself have said, and then I may bother to answer any useful questions you might have, such as how to formally end the Iraq war by negotiating a peace treaty with its legitimate goverment. Until then, you’re in Gitmo.

Ted Keer 6th Sep 2006 NYC

Enjoy, Improve, or Ignore!

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Wednesday, September 6, 2006 - 12:17pmSanction this postReply
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Clarence & Erica,

Robert is right, the current conditions there could be greatly modified. During the southern-hemisphere summer there would be lots of daylight. Constructing bio-domes would be simple, the project could be an experiment towards the goal of interplanetary colonization. Mars, with its low gravity, would be an ideal place for seniors to retire. Maybe Kerguelen's too good for the Gitmites. Perhaps the Button Islands, assuming they're part of Quebec, not Labrador. (The Atlas I have doesn't make this clear.) Anyone trying to cross the pack-ice would be polar bear bait. Of course, taking no prisoners will also work.

Ted


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