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I'm not sure what to think. I hope to hear more about this at the conference. My initial reaction, though, is negative.
(Edited by Jordan Zimmerman on 6/05, 10:51pm)


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As an initial reaction, I find it to be one hell of a good marketing strategy.

Apparently, the movie, Atlas Shrugged, will finally get made - with some high-quality TOC members on board. As the movie will generate a huge amount of public interest, TOC (now The Atlas Society) will get practically free publicity for having a similar name and dealing with the same subject.

Whoever thought this up has my full congratulations on understanding media and promotion.

btw - Notice that the detractors of the name change (saying that TOC is dropping Objectivism, of all the dumb things to say) have failed to see that the name, "The Objectivist Center," is still being kept as a division (scholarly stuff). It's right there in the linked article. The detractors have been denouncing like this for two or three days and so far nobody seems to have caught the oversight.

In their frenzy to denounce, these poor souls forgot how to read.

Michael



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Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 1:53amSanction this postReply
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I think it's a very bad strategy. Organizations that repeatedly change names make a poor impression, suggesting that they've nothing better to do than to be concerned about cosmetics to hide a poor interior. Now for all I know TOC (or whatever it's called now) may be a great organization (I don't know much about them, although the attacks from all those randroids are of course a compliment), but the message to the outside world is just bad: another facelift for an organization that's going downhill, such frequent changes are usually a bad sign, many facelifts don't make an old hag sexier. It also gives an impression of unreliability: "yesterday I was that, today I'm this, and tomorrow I'll be something else again... with me you never know what to expect!"

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As I've noted on other boards, even "cosmetically" the TOC/AS has some significant image problems; I merely offer as evidence the comparative webpage layouts of TOC/AS vs. ARI's.  See my entries #'s 30-31 in the comments section of Diana's blog.

Take it as constructive criticism or simply criticism, but this is something about which the TOC/AS needs to clean up its act if it wants to be taken seriously.  From the standpoint of design aesthetics, conceptual economy, clarity of presentation, and intellectual competence, the TOC/AS website gets a "C" grade, if that.  That may or may not be criticism that the TOC/AS wants the hear, but I think it had better start caring if it cares about (maintaining? increasing? earning?) credibility as a non-half-ass organization.

If these were businesses competing in the marketplace, TOC/AS probably would have been bought out and merged under the heading and management of ARI by now, with major layoffs in TOC/AS departments -- just from the standpoint of how well-run things are, whether the mission is being accomplished, etc.  Aside from whatever philosophical or personal differences TOC/AS folks have with Peikoff and others there, do they have a legitimate gripe with the way, and whether, ARI has been doing a satisfactory, meeting-or-exceeding-expectations job, of advancing Objectivism?  So far, its academic wing has the accomplishments of Tara Smith to show for it.  The biggest academic accomplishments of those closely or loosely related to the TOC/AS "wing" of the movement are Kelley's book from pre-IOS/TOC/AS days, and the work of Mack and the Dougs -- which came pretty much prior to and without the assistance of IOS/TOC/AS.  It's not all about academics, of course, but what else helps spur along an intellectual movement, in a way that TOC/AS have been doing well and/or ARI hasn't been doing well?  The biggest real-world accomplishment from a former IOS'er that I've seen has been from Jimbo Wales, which as all know is rather unrelated to specific efforts of the sort that TOC/AS is concerned with (i.e., with advocacy, vs. living by example).

I'm sure Bob B. and Ed H. can have plenty of PR-rebuttal as they have before, but I just can't say that my confidence hasn't been inspired by what I see so far.  Maybe they can get their website cleaned up and made first-rate first, before starting in with more rebuttals.  'Cause whatever they're doing, they got plenty of work to do to improve impressions and inspire confidence, just on the website alone.  Still, for many, the unsatisfactory state of the website is only a sign of real, deeper problems within, and that a real fix is only going to be on the way when those deeper problems get fixed.  But if they can get the website fixed, I can say that I'll be more receptive and less skeptical about all the great-sounding rebuttals of criticism.  Because the website REALLY, REALLY, demonstrably, is a problem.  The very fact of readily-accessible typos and glaring grammatical screw-ups is a sign of non-KASS and laziness.

C'mon, AS'ers, the website is your face to the world!  It's acne-pocked as it stands.  Take a hint from your rivals over at ARI.

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Actually, the change of organization's name had been discussed for years, and in the works for a long time. The question was largely: When would be the right moment to make the switch?

As you now see, the organization made it at the perfect time: June 5th. My birthday.

Seriously, I want to share several thoughts. (And for those collectivist mentalities who love to attribute the thoughts of our group's individual staff members to those of the entire organization, let me state emphatically that these are MY THOUGHTS -- not necessarily those of any other member of the staff or Board of Trustees of The Atlas Society.)

1. Those obsessed with attacking this organization 24/7/365 would never be mollified no matter what we do, or don't do. Recall that their past complaint against us was that we DID have "Objectivist" in our name, declaring that we shouldn't because we aren't "really" Objectivists at all. But now that we do not have "Objectivist" in our name, they attack that, declaring that our name change proves our lack of commitment to Objectivism!

This doubletalk is, on its face, completely hypocritical and dishonest.

Let's get real. Everyone familiar with these creeps knows that they look daily for new excuses to go off on rants against us, mining our every noun and verb, our every program and policy, our every article and op-ed, our every hire and fire. I invite you to consider just how much of their personal time this fixation consumes. We are justified in concluding that they either must have nothing better to do with their lives, or, perhaps, lack the capacity to do it.

Our name change is now their excuse du jour for further attacks, and hence for further evasion of the responsibilities of undertaking more productive, personal value-pursuits. Sadly, we have come to expect no better of them.

2. As has been pointed out above by others, we have NOT jettisoned the name "The Objectivist Center," but now have applied it more narrowly and appropriately to those activities for which it is best suited: the scholarly and academic programs headed by David Kelley and Will Thomas.

Is this a mistake? Well, then, a couple of questions for our critics:

Does ARI's calling its academic division the "Objectivist Graduate Center" indicate a desire to "distance" its scholarly activities from the name "Ayn Rand"? Why not "The Ayn Rand Graduate Center"?

Likewise, does the name "Ayn Rand Institute" indicate a desire to distance itself from the word "Objectivism"? Why did ARI not call itself "The Objectivism Institute"?

Again, let's get real. What we are doing is no different from what ARI has done, in labeling its overarching identity and its particular programs to target the specific audiences for which those titles are best suited.

The primary purpose of a title is not simply to make those wearing it feel good about themselves. The primary purpose of a title or label is effective communication to a target audience. A ponderous name that only "insiders" understand, but that the target audience does not, is simply not effective communication. Ditto a name that is difficult to pronounce, spell, and remember.

For years, those of us at the Center answering phone calls or media inquiries have had to restate, re-pronounce, and re-spell our organization's name again and again to answer inquiries. Even so, we found that many people, including reporters, still misspelled or mispronounced it in conversations and news stories (e.g., "The Objective Center").

Or consider this: If people hear our name in a conversation, or if viewers see us for a few fleeting moments on a talk show and want to learn more, then go to the Web to Google us, which name is more evocative, and more likely that they will remember and spell correctly: "The Atlas Society" or "The Objectivist Center"?

Furthermore, which name is most likely to draw the right mental associations for an important target audience: the millions of readers of Ayn Rand's fiction? Many of those readers -- probably most of them -- haven't a clue what "Objectivism" refers to, or know that it has any link to Ayn Rand.

It's therefore only common sense that in targeting those readers, you select a name that will evoke some familiar connection to Rand and/or her works. For such readers, ARI arguably has the best possible name because of its direct reference to Ayn Rand. (Google search results indicate that five times as many people search on the term "Ayn Rand" than they do on the term "Objectivism.") But after "Ayn Rand," the "next best" words to use, in terms of their familiarity to readers Rand's fiction, are the titles of her two most famous novels: Atlas Shrugged and The Fountainhead.

A direct reference to "Atlas," once sufficiently publicized and connected to this organization, will make a much more indelible impression on those readers than does a nominal reference to the unfamiliar "ism." The figure of Atlas also lends itself to great imagery, imagery that conveys a positive suggestion of strength, and of "supporting the world" -- which is the very reason that Rand used the Atlas metaphor herself in the title of her magnum opus.

In short, for communication purposes, "Atlas" is much better in a title than is "Objectivist." A title that communicates little or nothing to target audiences is not an asset.

3. It is significant to note that long after she had defined and labeled her philosophy, Rand herself did not use the term "Objectivism" or "Objectivist" in any of her nonfiction titles, except for Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology -- a book originally published privately by Rand as a monograph, and aimed only at the Objectivist "hard core" audience. Now, why do you suppose that, in communicating to mass audiences, she didn't title The Virtue of Selfishness as The Objectivist Ethics -- or Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal as The Politics of Objectivism -- or For the New Intellectual as The Philosophy of Objectivism, etc.?

Because Ayn Rand was a smart marketer -- that's why. She understood that the overriding purpose of a title was effective communication. Titles using neologisms and unfamiliar or arcane terms don't communicate anything effectively to a target audience. Rand knew that the purpose of a title is to get the attention of the right people. And she introduced "Objectivism" in discussions and writings only after she had gotten their attention.

4. Then there is the issue of appropriateness. Besides being ponderous, and difficult to spell and remember, the organization's original name, "Institute for Objectivist Studies," gave the impression that the organization was solely an academic or scholarly think tank, doing nothing more than producing studies. It did not suggest the full range of the group's activities, including public advocacy, and events and activities for the growing Objectivist social community.

On that score, "The Objectivist Center" was an improvement, in my opinion, but only a slight one. We still found that people hearing the word "Objectivist" for the first time had a host of misleading impressions as to what it referred to -- and most of those impressions were not positive ones. (For example, remember that "objective" in current cultural usage implies "value-neutral" to many people. Is that a message you wish to convey in a title? The battle for the true meaning of "objective" is absolutely crucial; but you do not fight such a battle in the title: you fight it in the subsequent arguments -- just as Rand did within the pages of her books, but not on their covers.)

"The Atlas Society," by contrast, evokes familiar, positive imagery, and also better suggests a membership organization. Also, the name does not suggest a mission limited solely to scholarship; it is broad enough to encompass the full range of activities, including public advocacy, our magazine (The New Individualist), our seminars, and even social activities and events.

5. Finally, the publicity already beginning on the "Atlas Shrugged" movie project affords us a unique opportunity to connect our organization's philosophical message to the attention that the movie will generate. That is a sound practical reason for timing the name change now.

For all these reasons, I enthusiastically support the change of the organization's name to "The Atlas Society," and also for retaining "The Objectivist Center" as the name for those scholarly programs that address the study, development, and teaching of Objectivism as a philosophy.

Clearly, nothing at all has changed in terms of our absolute commitment to that philosophy, and all its implications. Those unfamiliar with the organization, but who have been prejudiced by the Big Lie Campaign against it, are invited to check us out. You can decide for yourself where our commitments are.

Once again, let me state emphatically that these are MY THOUGHTS -- not necessarily those of any other member of the staff or Board of Trustees of The Atlas Society. One of the distinctions of our organization is that, unlike some self-styled Objectivist groups, we take seriously both aspects of the term "rational individualism."

(Edited by Robert Bidinotto
on 6/06, 1:16pm)

(Edited by Robert Bidinotto
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Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 10:06amSanction this postReply
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Chris, you REALLY want to diss poor TOC for the "non-KASS and laziness" of their typos? Then, in fairness, let's also note the following:

1. Diana Hsieh, on her Poodle Poop blog, in criticizing a recent paper by Doug Rasmussen, referred to his "incompetance."

2. Tara Smith, the poster girl for ARI achievement, allowed* the following howler to slip by on the very sparsely worded back cover of her EIGHTY-frickin'-dollar book, published by the very prestigious and well-heeled Cambridge University Press:
Paints a far more positive portrait of the egoist than the stereotypes that philosophers, as well as other;too often lazily accept [typo underscored]
So, there is plenty of "non-KASS and laziness" to go around, and if anyone ought to be upholding the higher standards and not allowing complacency to set in, it's the supposed "big dogs in the fight." Yes, TOC should be trying harder, because they're "number two," but there's plenty of "number two" (in a different sense) that continues to creep into the ARI-related arena, too.

One other note: you failed to mention, on the TOC-related side of the ledger, Stephen Hicks' book on post-modernism and Tibor Machan's books on Ayn Rand and objectivity and free will and Fred Seddon's history of philosophy in re Objectivism, all of whom have spoken multiple times at TOC conferences and seminar. You also neglected to cite Chris Sciabarra's Russian Radical and Journal of Ayn Rand Studies. TOC has held at least one seminar on RR, and TOC seminar papers continue to appear in JARS (as would papers from ARI folk, if they weren't so phobic and hostile). These guys all deserve equal time with Doug R, Doug DU, and Eric M. (As do, I'm sure, other TOC-related folk whose names and accomplishments have slipped my mind.)

REB

* -- I assume Smith allowed this typo to slip by. I can't imagine an author not being allowed some sort of oversight on his/her book's cover and dust-jacket material. But if the fault is entirely that of Cambridge University Press, this is not a very good sign either, I'd say. Prestige is as prestige does.


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There are oodles of highly successful organizations in the world that have changed names many times - especially banks, and they depend on their reputations for reliability. This happens all the time in the business world - every single day and the world over.

I find the charge that TAS/TOC is weakening itself or indicating lack of direction by changing its name downright silly. Objectivism started with name changes. How about the change from Alissa Rosenbaum to Ayn Rand or Nathan Blumenthal to Nathaniel Branden? Or how about The Strike to Atlas Shrugged?

Maybe those who think TAS/TOC is undermining itself with the name change can present some kind of indication other than an opinion? Are there actual people in the world who stop taking Objectivism or TAS/TOC seriously because the organization has changed its name a few times? (The small tribe of detractors says this is their problem, but that's a lie. Their thing is ARI and the Brandens.)

Chris, you mentioned several times in your condescending post things like "... if it wants to be taken seriously." I admit that the web page needs work. The TAS/TOC people are not yet strong in the webmaster department. Still, the web page is not all that horrible. The Internet is full of stuff in Objectivism that is far worse.

For the record, I take TAS/TOC seriously. Kat and I plunked down hard cash to prove it. Many others are doing the same. We even use our website to promote TAS/TOC. There is one hell of a Summer Seminar in the works, or haven't you heard? How about the movie version of Atlas Shrugged? The producers of that 30 million dollar plus investment are certainly taking TAS/TOC seriously since several key TAS/TOC people are on board. Howard and Karen Baldwin (co-producers of the movie) are even going to speak at the seminar.

I don't speak for TAS/TOC , but I don't think they care all that much about being taken seriously by their detractors. On the contrary, some detractors are leaning on TAS/TOC's audience, not the other way round. There is a book signing in the works that needs TAS/TOC's audience to save face. Otherwise nobody would show up. These detractors simply don't have the competence to generate their own audience.

So who really needs to be taken seriously? Who actually has the credibility problem? The ones doing productive work or the ones doing the silly bashing?

Michael


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Roger,
When I first got my paperback copy of Viable Values, by Tara Smith, I noticed that on the back cover there was a "paste over" on Allan Gotthelf's comments.  Curiosity got the best of me, so I carefully peeled it off to look at what was under it.  It had the following sentence in which the words I have made bold were switched in the corrected version:
"Against the dominant views that value is objective or intrinsic (which receive devastating critiques), Tara Smith shows, with Rand, that value is relational and subjective, having its root in the fact that the continued existence of a living organism is conditional upon its own action."
Someone caught it after printing and did a quick fix.
Thanks,
Glenn


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To put our organization's work in perspective, just a quick mention: since I started four years ago I've done over 50 Reports from the Front, with a handful more by David Kelley, and close to 60 op-eds. The latter have appeared in many of the major papers throughout the U.S. During that time and the few years preceding me, other authors with and for our organization -- including some who have been critical of us but whom we thought had something important to say -- have done nearly 150 additional commentaries. Add longer pieces for Navigator/The New Individualist, hundreds of media appearances and scores of speeches a year by myself and other speakers from our organization and, of course, the hundreds of talks at the Summer Seminars (available through our bookstore!) and you see a pretty impressive record.

We're particularly proud that we spend our time promoting the principles of Objectivism to the world at large as well as working to develop the philosophy further -- see Kelley's books, Hicks' on post-modernism -- and providing value to our members. I find it a shame that some Objectivists waste their time in personal vendettas against one another on discussion boards. It is also sad that some Objectivists seem to set as a standard for communications how many invectives one can hurl. Passion is indeed important but so is recognizing the purpose of ones communications and the most effective means of communicating in light of the context of ones audience. (More on this in a future post.)

A redesigned website went up in December. It's a lot better than the earlier one though we still getting work done to improve it. I always welcome constructive criticism since I'm one who's recognized in the past areas where we could use improvement. One of those areas is our publication and I hope most agree that The New Individualist looks and reads better than ever!

(Edited by Ed Hudgins on 6/06, 1:37pm)


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Even if "objective" and "subjective" go where Fletcher puts them in the passage he quotes in #7, that is still a grossly inaccurate statement of what Rand (and presumably Smith) says.

The story I've heard about the publishing business is that jacket copy and design belong to marketing, not to editorial or to the authors themselves; authors don't see what goes on the outside of their books until the rest of us do, and they often hate it.  Recall Rand's letters to her publishers objecting to the dreary cover on the hardbound Anthem or to the modern art on the Spanish edition of Atlas Shrugged.  Methinks the passage in question was by some junior editor with a BA in philosophy and no acquaintance with Rand except a cursory reading of Viable Values.

Peter


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Robert- Thanks for the background and reasons. Public perception and avoiding getting misquoted or immediately bogged down in terminology (as parents, friends, etc. say - 'Objectivist? What is it you object to?') would matter. Of course I also wouldn't envy anyone answering the phone at the ARI - "No, that's Ayn. A-Y-N. No, not Ann. 'Iiiiiine'.."

The only thing I see that doesn't set well concerning the new branding isn't 'The Atlas Society', but what is apparently its icon. An Atlas crouching under the overwhelming burden of an open book?


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Aaron -- We're playing with some new logos as well. I actually like the one we used for our "Atlas and the World" conference to mark the 40th anniversary of the book's publication. We used it for the Atlas movie announcement, here I believe:
http://www.objectivistcenter.org/cth-13-1687-Atlas_Movie_April_06_update.aspx


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How about Atlas confidently smiling, while holding the world in front of him?

Or does that have too much of a religious overtone, a la "He's Got the Whole World in His Hands"?  :-)

REB

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Aaron, thanks.

You know, it's interesting how many people you can reach when you avoid insider jargon and an air of moral superiority. As you may know, I've been trying to transform The New Individualist into a true "outreach" vehicle. As one test, I've been passing out copies to bright, educated people who don't know beans about Objectivism or even Rand. The positive reactions have been very gratifying. For example, my chiropractor -- a smart, very nice guy who is also with naval special forces -- loved the stuff we published on the Muhammad cartoon controversy, and even passed the magazine around to his Navy SEAL buddies. He ended one recent treatment session with a serious fifteen-minute conversation with me about religion, just based on my editorial comments about being an atheist. A real door-opener for future discussions.

I'm convinced that Objectivism could have a far greater impact on our culture if many of us were only willing to stop acting like insular, holier-than-thou cultists, with our own code words and secret handshakes. Many non-Objectivists are committed to rational personal values, even though not to a rational philosophy. In short, there is a conflict between their emotional commitments, and their intellectual understanding.

If we begin to approach them on the grounds of shared values, rather than their explicit philosophy, I think we could make a lot more headway in interesting them in the ideas that support and justify those values.

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I think "The Atlas Society" is a great name. I'm becoming more and more excited about the upcoming movie.

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I don't really like Atlas Society as a name for that kind of organization.  It conjures up images of a loose association of people, instead of an organization.  I'd go with something like Atlas Foundation or Atlas Institute or something if I felt the need to change it.  I actually like The Objectivist Center as a name, but can see the difficulties there that Robert pointed out.  Ed Hudgins, in his talk at the RoR Conference, said he wanted to create widespread recognition of the term 'Objectivism', much like libertarianism is widely known and understood (even if not agreed with).  Seems like this might be a step away from that.

On the topic of associated scholars, I'm uncomfortable giving credit to an organization just because people who associate with them do productive work.  I don't know Tara Smith's situation, but she deserves to be viewed as the primary person responsible for her achievements.  If ARI contributed, they get credit for their contributions.  Same with Stephen Hicks and TOC.  They get credit for funding his efforts and whatever else they contributed.  Maybe it's just me, but I want to know what the actual organization is doing, not what people associated with it are doing.


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 About:
The objectivism of values.

In Italy the word oggettivismo is grossly unknown,
but a name like  "L'oggettivismo dei valori" sounds very
important.

(Edited by Ciro D'Agostino on 6/06, 11:43pm)


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I don't have any dog in the hunt, so far as the name change is concerned.

While I do not consider TOC/AS's website a disaster, I agree with Chris C that it needs significant improvement.  An organization's website does make an important first impression.  And Web pages need constant maintenance and upgrading.

The question I have for Chris C is what "advancing Objectivism" truly consists of.  So far as I can determine, the only response to Ayn Rand's ideas that will qualify as "advancing Objectivism," by the Ayn Rand Institute's standards, is wider and wider-spread conformity to the interpretations of Rand put forward by the leaders of ARI.  By that standard, only ARI could be "advancing Objectivism" (although we may still ask how widespread the conformity to its official views actually is).  But why should anyone consider the accomplishment of ARI's mission a good thing?

I agree with Joe R that authors' achievements are primarily their own, not those of some organization.  Still, we can draw a useful distinction between work that was actually sponsored or financially supported by an organization (e.g., Hicks' book or Long and Badhwar's monographs by TOC, Smith and Mayhew's books by ARI) and work that is in favor with many members of some organization but was not supported or sponsored by it.  No Randian organization funded or sponsored any of the work of Eric Mack, the Dougs, Chris Sciabarra, Tibor Machan, Ed Younkins, et al.

Beyond that, isn't it time to move beyond the item on the curriculum vitae (that Smith's new book was published by Cambridge) to reading and reviewing its contents?  I've read the book now; so have some other participants here; still others will be getting to it sooner or later.  The book offers a thorough exposition of Rand's ethics, in language a good deal less hectoring than Rand or Peikoff normally used.  (The SOLOP crowd is liable to complain, in fact, that it is short on KASS...)

Reviews should go on their own thread, in due time.

Suffice it to say for now that a non-Randian academic, getting his or her first exposure to the Objectivist ethics through Smith's book, will almost surely come away from it convinced that Objectivism: The Philosophy of Ayn Rand is "part of Objectivism," rather than "Objectivist philosophy." (And I very much doubt that anyone at ARI will find that outcome upsetting.)  For, as I previously noted, Peikoff's book is footnoted an average of once per page.

On the other hand, it would be impossible for a reader new to Objectivism to recognize that Nathaniel Branden ever played any role in it. He is mentioned in one footnote, as a co-interviewer of Ayn Rand.  Not a single book or article of his is cited, and when Smith discusses self-esteem (as several of her chapters obviously require her to do), she goes so far as to attribute a paraphrase of NB's definition of self-esteem to... Leonard Peikoff.

I also found it interesting that persons at ARI who have not published anything that Smith deemed worth citing, but who had email exchanges with her or participated in a seminar, are included in the book's index, whereas authors of some of the works cited are not.  For instance, Tibor Machan, Martha Nussbaum, Antonio Damasio, and Doug Den Uyl are not to be found in the index, but Greg Salmieri and Onkar Ghate are.

Robert Campbell


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Mr Bidinotto:I'm convinced that Objectivism could have a far greater impact on our culture if many of us were only willing to stop acting like insular, holier-than-thou cultists, with our own code words and secret handshakes. Many non-Objectivists are committed to rational personal values, even though not to a rational philosophy. In short, there is a conflict between their emotional commitments, and their intellectual understanding.

 

Mr Bidinotto,

 

I personally think that objectivism is not for the masses, but just for those few individuals who get it.

Mostly of the time I am attacked and considered an antisocial person just for being an objectivist alone.

Have you noticed how the majority of people live their life here in Northern Virginia and DC?

 

 




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Ciro, I disagree. I find that attitude self-congratulatory...but self-defeating. That attitude of contemptuous superiority toward "the masses" (how Marxist!) is one of the main reasons that those "masses" so often respond to Objectivists in kind, with their own hostility and contempt. Who can blame them?

It is always reassuring to believe that you are part of some elite with superior knowledge and character. Quite a few religions offer this reassurance to their members -- that they are special, annointed, above the mere "masses." This is also the view of those who interpret Objectivism as some sort of arcane scholasticism -- as a kind of complex quasi-theology, an "intellectual system" comprehensible only to Great Minds.

Very self-flattering, and very untrue.

There is nothing inherent in the Objectivist virtues that makes them too difficult for ordinary people to grasp and practice. What's so hard to understand about honesty? Justice? Productivity? Earned pride? Relying upon reason? Matching your words with your deeds, i.e., integrity?

You don't have to know all the ponderous derivations of those principles to understand their value in your life, or to practice them to the best of your ability. Rand herself said this, and emphasized that an Eddie Willers was the moral equal of a Francisco or Galt.

Frankly, I've met a lot of those "masses" whose accomplishments, sense of honor and decency, and reasonableness could provide moral lessons for many self-proclaimed Objectivists. Knowing how to argue philosophically is not the same thing as knowing how to live well -- or having the courage to do it.


(Edited by Robert Bidinotto
on 6/07, 9:30am)


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