Thanks for your comments. I ran this discussion over in my mind last night (as well as reading the previous postings by Chris, see post #30 here). I came to the conclusion that it's all about being honest in your intent (where have I seen that word before? ;)). Many (if not all) of these "dating experts" make it rather clear that they aren't in the business of creating long-lasting relationships. Whether it is the case or not (and I'm certain I will be enlightened) I get the feeling that Chris in particular (in regards to this group discussion) feels quite fine about using these techniques to show his "higher value" to women. Something about his comments seems artificial and canned, instead of natural. I could be wrong, and if asked, I can try to find specific examples.
I would like to know more about using NLP in the manner you describe, i.e. "Knowledge is not innate but must be acquired through sense perception, identification, interpretation, validation and integration. So I hope no woman here expects her man 'just to know' how to induce those states in her". How does one gain knowledge of another using NLP and what does "inducing states" have to do with gaining knowledge of a person? If this is truly the case, then I don't have a problem with using NLP in my interactions with people. As Deanna said, though, it would be disingeuous to use these techniques in part of my life, and then drop it later. If I could intergrat this into my thought processes and interactions so that they become an integral part of me, then I wouldn't be disengenuous. My take on NLP (and this may be showing extreme ignorance, which can be remedied, thank goodness) is it is more about controlling another person's behavior instead of learning about them. I would have a problem with that in using NLP in my daily life. I'm sure you'll be able to tell me where I'm going wrong on this (if I am).
To go back to the original quote, I think it describes the type of man that strong, independent, rational women can respect and fall in love with. Deanna, interestingly enough, Ayn Rand took quotes from people she otherwise disagreed with if they said something of value (I believe it was a quote from Neitzsche that I'm thinking of, I'll try to find it.) Even if you disagree with everything else that Ross J. stands for, I think his quote is valid.