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Sunday, November 4, 2007 - 3:42pmSanction this postReply
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I love the story of Helen Keller.

While watching Anne Sullivan shouting "She knows!" -- I burst into tears. The drive "to know" that Helen and Anne showed so eloquently; the paramount importance of gaining truth -- is really very moving to me. It's such a lesson to look back on what Helen and Anne accomplished epistemologically.

It's such a comforting refutation to skepticism.

Ed


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Sunday, November 4, 2007 - 4:44pmSanction this postReply
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This whole series has been most excellently done - the video has removed the sense of time in what is being said, so well-tuned they are in regards to the message....  this, using the scene from The Miracle Worker, more than anything else possible, has shown so clearly the import of reasoning, of the essence of epistemology....

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Sunday, November 4, 2007 - 4:52pmSanction this postReply
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So well done !

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Sunday, November 4, 2007 - 4:55pmSanction this postReply
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I can't think of a better way that point could be made, than using the Miracle Worker like this.  Excellent. 

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Monday, November 5, 2007 - 9:29amSanction this postReply
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Ed Thompson confessed:  While watching Anne Sullivan shouting "She knows! "I burst into tears.
Me, too.

... and in about an hour I have to share a 20x20 room with 30 people who cannot be bothered to use their minds...


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Monday, November 5, 2007 - 10:06amSanction this postReply
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It's those amazing happy tears. I would be happy to be there. I loved your halloween idea and am going to the flea market Friday to get a bunch of coins and bills for next year. : )

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Monday, November 5, 2007 - 10:56amSanction this postReply
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As I remember Helen Keller was a collectivist.

So is one of the messages that brains are not enough?  

Without your own sensors to *observe* the truth others can lead you astray?      Dale
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Monday, November 5, 2007 - 12:49pmSanction this postReply
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Dale, Helen Keller was a socialist pig -- but that ought not detract from her magnificent story and unprecedented epistemological achievement.

Her story -- in spite of her politics -- is a philiosophical inspiration for man, everywhere (and, perhaps, for all time).

Ed


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Monday, November 5, 2007 - 3:41pmSanction this postReply
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ET:"... Helen Keller was a socialist pig ..."
Well, that's a bit strong.  She was probably pretty neat at the table, once she learned how.

I agree that in order to be a socialist, you need to be deaf, dumb and blind at least insofar as not using your faculties goes.  I agree that Helen Keller's limited engagement with the world was probably the cause of her adherence to socialism. 

On the other hand, I think that perhaps if we all used more of our brains, more of socialism might be workable.  Consider what Dale Reed said about insurance: perfect communism, because you do not take more than you need.  You do not buy life insurance in order to cash in by dying.  You do not consider automobile insurance to be a license to have accidents.  We went around here on RoR more than once about corporations. There is a reason why it is called "going public" when a sole proprietorship takes on a million shareholders.  Do people have no right to "pool their resources" and "share the profits"?  We Objectivists dislike it when people claim that America is a "capitalist" nation, but we insist that the USSR really was socialist.  Myself, I see a lot of similarity in utopian capitalism and utopian communism, starting with the fact that in both cases, the producers own the wealth.  The problem the communists never solved is, "What do you do with the guy who doesn't want to go along?"  This is really, "What do you do with the minority?"  See, that's a tough problem.  Maybe we need more brainly engagement.  Until then, capitalism is a good fallback position for me.  Personally, the practical application of socialism has a lot of problems and the all go back to the law of identity.  But, you know, maybe no one spelled that out for Helen Keller. 

Anyway, it was quite a feat for her to even understand the issues, even though she made the wrong choice and in any case, I do not think of Helen Keller as a pig.


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Monday, November 5, 2007 - 8:19pmSanction this postReply
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Communism is "utopian."   Capitalism is not.

 

I am a selfish, greedy, capitalist.  And my religion is a "Slightly Chaotic y-directed Sinusoidalist" meaning I was not created by a Supernatural God, nor did I evolve from an Ugly Hairy Monkey. I am a descendent of astronauts that landed here on earth a long time ago and we will leave when we have used this earth all up.  No beginnings and no endings in the Sinusoidal Domain.

 

Sorry, guess I kinda lost the thread.   We geezers tend to do that sometimes.

 

Anyway I was trying to think through what the Helen Keller Story in the video really was.  Lots of people are collectivists before they own private property.    Dale

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http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/language.html

The Miracle Worker by William Gibson … tells the story of how Annie Sullivan brought Helen Keller to grasp the nature of language …

I suggest that you read The Miracle Worker and study its implications … this particular play is an invaluable lesson in the fundamentals of a rational epistemology.

I suggest that you consider Annie Sullivan's titanic struggle to arouse a child's conceptual faculty by means of a single sense, the sense of touch, then evaluate the meaning, motive and moral status of the notion that man's conceptual faculty does not require any sensory experience.

I suggest that you consider what an enormous intellectual feat Helen Keller had to perform in order to develop a full conceptual range (including a college education, which required more in her day than it does now), then judge those normal people who learn their first, perceptual-level abstractions without any difficulty and freeze on that level, and keep the higher ranges of their conceptual development in a chaotic fog of swimming, indeterminate approximations, playing a game of signals without referents, as Helen Keller did at first, but without her excuse. Then check on whether you respect and how carefully you employ your priceless possession: language.

And, lastly, I suggest that you try to project what would have happened if, instead of Annie Sullivan, a sadist had taken charge of Helen Keller's education. A sadist would spell "water" into Helen's palm, while making her touch water, stones, flowers and dogs interchangeably; he would teach her that water is called "water" today, but "milk" tomorrow; he would endeavor to convey to her that there is no necessary connection between names and things, that the signals in her palm are a game of arbitrary conventions and that she'd better obey him without trying to understand.

If this projection is too monstrous to hold in one's mind for long, remember that this is what today's academic philosophers are doing to the young—to minds as confused, as plastic and almost as helpless (on the higher conceptual levels) as Helen Keller's mind was at her start.


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Tuesday, November 6, 2007 - 2:03amSanction this postReply
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Thanks for your encouraging remarks about my videos everyone! I hope you'll keep watching.

I'm expecting about 20 parts (what have I gotten myself into?) before it's done- unless I can edit the speech even further than I already am. If Galt took 3 hours on the radio he was talking a lot faster! I'm thinning the text and slowing down the pace so that one can take in the images and really think about the most important concepts. I don't think anybody really reads the speech slowly enough. About this particular video- I was suprised by how little Metaphysics and Epistemology is in the speech. The Metaphysics I covered pretty briefly in Part 5- just Existence and Identity. Galt's discussion of causality will probably have to wait - I need to find a way to get it in. I will inevitably have to skip. Because the most important epistemological material was written AFTER Atlas, there's little to nothing on the process of concept-formation in the speech. That's what led to using the Helen Keller story- it was a way to discuss concept formation which is missing in the original. My goal is to put the philosophy in order- one video to each major point. Has anyone had a problem with the reordering of sections? The biggest change I'm making is the shifting around of the text.

Pure fanboy stuff- did you catch the glimpse of Galt's motor? How about the preacher in Part Three shouting "Your day is numbered"? I really enjoy sneaking those things in.

Richard

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Tuesday, November 6, 2007 - 3:23amSanction this postReply
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Galt's discussion of causality will probably have to wait - I need to find a way to get it in. I will inevitably have to skip. Because the most important epistemological material was written AFTER Atlas, there's little to nothing on the process of concept-formation in the speech.

Ack!  I understand how tempting it is to overcomplicate, but I would just stick with the speech and not worry about ITOE for now, or the technical aspects. That isn't what kept AS selling all these years later, ya'know? Seriously. Keep it simple. Keep it creative. Keep it visual.  Causation is important. Really important.

Yours truly,
A Fan. 


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Tuesday, November 6, 2007 - 6:35amSanction this postReply
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What I'll probably end up doing is blasting through the speech from beginning to end. Can't let my enthusiasm lag! Once I've done the whole things as YouTube videos- I'll go back to the beginning and edit all the parts together into one presentation without breaks- at that time I'll add back whatever material I feel is lacking- maybe add causality (if I can't find a place for it), find essential passages that I had to bypass first time through, improve graphics or clunky transitions etc.. I'll end up with a movie-length adaptation of the speech! Maybe I'll upload it to a torrent site and just let the net take it over. Who knows? Once something's out there you can't ever get it back. It might become a seed for others to revise and re-edit -  In a thousand years, who knows? Digital is forever. Fun thought. Back to the editing bay (by which I mean my Mac)!

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Tuesday, November 6, 2007 - 7:12amSanction this postReply
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> did you catch the glimpse of Galt's motor?

I did maybe because I am a retired Electromagnetics Engineer.  I have always assumed that Galt was into electromagnetics also.  I computer modelled and wrote the shielding requirements against the Induced Lightning threat of the fly-by-wire 777.

The mountain top lightning in your video reminded me of tests I participated on top of South Baldy Peak  http://www.ee.nmt.edu/~langmuir/ in an effort to determine the threat to future Boeings.   Dale


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Tuesday, November 6, 2007 - 3:18pmSanction this postReply
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Thanks for showing up here, Richard.  I was googling about for XCOWBOY2 Richard and I found links on other sites, but not much about you qua you.  I was going to start a thread here, "Who is Xcowboy2?"

Your work is original and creative, insightful and challenging.  If it is an infringement on the work of Ayn Rand, then so, too, were Rachmaninoff's Paganini and Brahms's Haydn and so on.


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Tuesday, November 6, 2007 - 3:57pmSanction this postReply
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I'll add back whatever material I feel is lacking- maybe add causality (if I can't find a place for it),...

Well, I hope you get it in.  What a fun hobby you've found.  

(Psssssst!  It should go right after Epistemology!)

(Edited by Teresa Summerlee Isanhart on 11/06, 3:58pm)


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Tuesday, November 6, 2007 - 4:39pmSanction this postReply
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Thanks everybody!

Michael- I'm 39, a composer / lyricist and playwright. I live in New York City and I have a great day job. I wrote an adaptation of Wilde's "Picture of Dorian Gray" that was premiered by Goodspeed Musicals in CT and has been produced other places (book music & lyrics- I don't collaborate). I've also won awards for other work of mine - I'm just finishing a new farce. I do some strict composition too- I have a commission to write a set of songs for a group of singers from the Met- and I'm considering setting passages of Rand fiction with skyscraper motifs for soprano / chamber ensemble. This is my first try at video editing- I'm finding I really enjoy it. The trick is to find a project that you really enjoy! Back in college I was a member of the Metroplex Objectivist Society in Dallas, but have not been affiliated with any other organization. I have a crazy dream to do the 'Atlas' screenplay which can never happen- though I sent a letter of inquiry to the holder of the rights that wasn't answered. This is the closest I will come.

PS- this spring the NYU Objectivist group had a 50th anniversary celebration of Atlas Shrugged. I showed up and won the trivia competition :)

Teresa - Thanks. Causality it is!

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Wednesday, November 7, 2007 - 10:25amSanction this postReply
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I think the contrast of Helen Keller's initial point in life as a girl with little background in understanding the world around her, and her small but important realizations as she was learning, against Galt's speech are still very telling, especially for me. Consider Keller's predicament for a moment, born both deaf and blind, a pretty hard situation to originate. For years, with little guidance, she languished in what little her mind could offer, being that she had few experiences of the world. And yet despite it all, when she was given the opportunity to learn she did.

All too often, I've had debates with people my age (or younger) who claim that one couldn't have an identity if one wasn't 'raised' to have one, that one would just be a 'pure' animal without knowledge and identity. Yet, I think Keller's life is proof that we are not 'pure' animals as those whom I've debated claim, rather we're animals of knowledge, animals that feast on a logos of our own making. No other creature on Earth, to my knowledge, seeks out meaning as we do (even if a few of members of the species get rather lazy in the search from time to time).

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Wednesday, November 7, 2007 - 11:10amSanction this postReply
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Actually, she wasn't born deaf - that was the catch here - her recognising 'wa-wa' as the water AND the signing for water.... from there, she grasped the relationship of signing to the other objects....

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Wednesday, November 7, 2007 - 9:50pmSanction this postReply
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Ah, but according to the wiki-article in reference to her, she did wind up deaf and blind at a early age (about 19 months by their accounts). So, she really didn't have enough to piece together from past experience to reference it to the sensations of touch she was experiencing later on.

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